nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Earth!
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Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
I think it's even more nonsensical than that... Only a small proportion of cultures on this planet are monogamous in the same way that Westerners are, so thinking of monogamy as a stage in human development is bizarre at best. There's no such thing as "advanced" culture in the same way that there's "advanced" technology; and humans are not remotely monolithic in cultural practices, nor do all cultures shift at once. It would be valid to say, perhaps, that American culture changed from being largely and normatively monogamous to not being so, but to say that "humans (all of them) move past monogamy" is nonsense in every word.
I hate thinking about Star Trek and anthropology at the same time, all it does is make me cringe at how creepily ethnocentric Trek can be.
I think it's even more nonsensical than that... Only a small proportion of cultures on this planet are monogamous in the same way that Westerners are, so thinking of monogamy as a stage in human development is bizarre at best. There's no such thing as "advanced" culture in the same way that there's "advanced" technology; and humans are not remotely monolithic in cultural practices, nor do all cultures shift at once. It would be valid to say, perhaps, that American culture changed from being largely and normatively monogamous to not being so, but to say that "humans (all of them) move past monogamy" is nonsense in every word.
I hate thinking about Star Trek and anthropology at the same time, all it does is make me cringe at how creepily ethnocentric Trek can be.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
You know, other than the fact that this theme has already been done in City on the Edge of Forever, I kind of like this one. It seems very TOS to me.
You know, other than the fact that this theme has already been done in City on the Edge of Forever, I kind of like this one. It seems very TOS to me.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
That. Is. Awesome.
So what I'm getting from it is a lack of denial on either man's part. Just dismissal.
That. Is. Awesome.
So what I'm getting from it is a lack of denial on either man's part. Just dismissal.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Yes it is.
That. Is. Awesome.
Yes it is.
darkwing_duck1
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Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Not to mention being the same thing SonicRanger is apparently smoking...
Not to mention being the same thing SonicRanger is apparently smoking...
darkwing_duck1
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Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Apparently not intelligent enough to avoid being blown up, assimilated, eaten, whatever by all the "superior societies/aliens/etc" out there, which is why Kirk's class was selected. Starfleet was crippled cause their crews kept defecting to whatever twisted thing caught their fancy.
Apparently not intelligent enough to avoid being blown up, assimilated, eaten, whatever by all the "superior societies/aliens/etc" out there, which is why Kirk's class was selected. Starfleet was crippled cause their crews kept defecting to whatever twisted thing caught their fancy.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
I require nothing of the sort to be so... well, let's admit it, satirical.
Not to mention being the same thing SonicRanger is apparently smoking...
I require nothing of the sort to be so... well, let's admit it, satirical.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Agreed. I'm not embarrassed.
The only thing that's embarrassing is that we've had so many threads of this nature that were serious we can't really tell the difference anymore.
Agreed. I'm not embarrassed.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Yeah, it is from an anthropological standpoint. But the truth of the matter is it would be impossible to explore or depict adequately the different cultures with in a race. They would have to devout a ton of screen time to it. So maybe they could have done that with the Klingons and such, but not with 90% of the races they encounter.
I guess what helped me see past it was that each race represented a different aspect of the various human cultures or traditions. So, all the aliens are just reflections of ourselves from different angles in the mirror.
Yeah, it is from an anthropological standpoint. But the truth of the matter is it would be impossible to explore or depict adequately the different cultures with in a race. They would have to devout a ton of screen time to it. So maybe they could have done that with the Klingons and such, but not with 90% of the races they encounter.
I guess what helped me see past it was that each race represented a different aspect of the various human cultures or traditions. So, all the aliens are just reflections of ourselves from different angles in the mirror.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
You know what? Fuck it, I'm just going to say it. I don't give a flying crap what Roddenberry's "vision" was. The idea of humans being this uber-peaceful explorers who got along with everyone is total BS and always will be. I love Roddenberry for giving us one of the greatest franchises in science fiction and his undeniable impact on the genre and indeed the world, but lets just drop the peace and love BS. I mean seriously, how many of us actually watched Trek for that? I don't know about you, but I watched it for the story and characters, not the space hippie crap.
As for NuTrek "destroying" Roddenberry's dream? Get the fuck over it. Sit down, watch the damn movie and enjoy the assume special effects and the story that was better than all of the TNG movies. Seriously, stop the frakin' whining.
To the mods and anyone with gentle sensibilities: Sorry about the two f-bombs.
You know what? Fuck it, I'm just going to say it. I don't give a flying crap what Roddenberry's "vision" was. The idea of humans being this uber-peaceful explorers who got along with everyone is total BS and always will be. I love Roddenberry for giving us one of the greatest franchises in science fiction and his undeniable impact on the genre and indeed the world, but lets just drop the peace and love BS. I mean seriously, how many of us actually watched Trek for that? I don't know about you, but I watched it for the story and characters, not the space hippie crap.
As for NuTrek "destroying" Roddenberry's dream? Get the fuck over it. Sit down, watch the damn movie and enjoy the assume special effects and the story that was better than all of the TNG movies. Seriously, stop the frakin' whining.
To the mods and anyone with gentle sensibilities: Sorry about the two f-bombs.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Here is me. Not caring.
I am so tired of hearing self-proclaimed 'experts' on Gene Roddenberry's 'vision' declaring anything they don't like as being a 'betrayal' of that 'vision', I could hurl.
The only thing Gene Roddenberry had a 'vision' of was craploads of money. Unless you count all the hallucinations he had while dropping acid, that is.
Otherwise he wouldn't have 'betrayed' the TOS 'vision' of wonderfully flawed heroes just doing the best they could with that 1980's batch of PC-perfect pontificating TNG characters he dreamed up.
Here is me. Not caring.
I am so tired of hearing self-proclaimed 'experts' on Gene Roddenberry's 'vision' declaring anything they don't like as being a 'betrayal' of that 'vision', I could hurl.
The only thing Gene Roddenberry had a 'vision' of was craploads of money. Unless you count all the hallucinations he had while dropping acid, that is.
Otherwise he wouldn't have 'betrayed' the TOS 'vision' of wonderfully flawed heroes just doing the best they could with that 1980's batch of PC-perfect pontificating TNG characters he dreamed up.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
He can be hard to read; I still haven't figured out what his real opinion of the movie is.
He can be hard to read; I still haven't figured out what his real opinion of the movie is.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Okay TGT does post some extreme stuff but he's basically a fluffy bunny really.
Okay TGT does post some extreme stuff but he's basically a fluffy bunny really.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Sometimes, when I read these boards, I feel like slashing my wrists.
It's so ironic that some here would prefer 'Sex instructor', but that's just a sign of the times. Anyone who is more experienced than another partner is a love instructor. Why not take it a bit further, which is what SF can do, and imagine a VERY experienced person, and there are some, even today, who would teach others about love?
Not everyone thinks sex is a selfish thing. Some people think it's a selfless thing. Some people think it's about love, a way of expressing love. People thought like that in the 60's. My Grandad thought it was about that in the 40's! Maybe there will be a cycle back and some people in the future will think this way.
I'm willing to bet that TNG episode, 'Justice', got right up some people's noses!? A planet of love? How silly!
Not.
Sometimes, when I read these boards, I feel like slashing my wrists.
It's so ironic that some here would prefer 'Sex instructor', but that's just a sign of the times. Anyone who is more experienced than another partner is a love instructor. Why not take it a bit further, which is what SF can do, and imagine a VERY experienced person, and there are some, even today, who would teach others about love?
Not everyone thinks sex is a selfish thing. Some people think it's a selfless thing. Some people think it's about love, a way of expressing love. People thought like that in the 60's. My Grandad thought it was about that in the 40's! Maybe there will be a cycle back and some people in the future will think this way.
I'm willing to bet that TNG episode, 'Justice', got right up some people's noses!? A planet of love? How silly!
Not.
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Peace and love IS the story and the characters!
I think you just watch it for the superior weaponry and better ways of killing people and space battles, perhaps?
Peace and love IS the story and the characters!
I think you just watch it for the superior weaponry and better ways of killing people and space battles, perhaps?
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Wait... you don't?
Peace and love IS the story and the characters!
I think you just watch it for the superior weaponry and better ways of killing people and space battles, perhaps?
Wait... you don't?
Re: nuTrek destroys Roddenberry’s vision of 23rd-century humans and Ea
Dude, seriously - I have tried, and the paper cuts were excruciating.
Dude, seriously - I have tried, and the paper cuts were excruciating.
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