Does anyone think we'll see an episode of Pon Farr in either of the next two movies? If so, how will it be handled? In the NuTrek universe, was NuSpock bonded to T'Pring? If she died when Vulcan was destroyed, how will that affect things?
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Probably poorly. They'll try to make it as sexy as possible and complete miss the point in the process.
Pon Farr the one place where "Trek Sex" actually works.
I doubt they'll do a pon farr bit in XII or XIII, because I've always thought it a really silly concept, and I don't see it fitting the fast-paced format of the movies (assuming they stick to the same formula they used for the first).
The original idea was that Spock had to get home to Vulcan to take a mate (to whom they'd been previously bonded), which was bastardized by later writers into "Vulcans only have sex once every seven years" (the "Amok Time" writer's original intent was that they have sex whenever they want outside Pon Farr, something STXI thankfully got right), the link to the planet was dropped and it became an excuse for bad jokes and T'Pol running around in her underwear.
Was Spock bonded to T'Pring in the alternate universe? I have no idea. It depends on what the writers come up with. I want to know where Sybok is!
Should Pon Farr come up, surely it should only require Spock and Uhura taking a few days off duty?
I wonder if Spock and Uhura are bonded, Trip/T'Pol style?
The original idea was that Spock had to get home to Vulcan to take a mate (to whom they'd been previously bonded), which was bastardized by later writers into "Vulcans only have sex once every seven years" (the "Amok Time" writer's original intent was that they have sex whenever they want outside Pon Farr, something STXI thankfully got right), the link to the planet was dropped and it became an excuse for bad jokes and T'Pol running around in her underwear.
Was Spock bonded to T'Pring in the alternate universe? I have no idea. It depends on what the writers come up with. I want to know where Sybok is!
Should Pon Farr come up, surely it should only require Spock and Uhura taking a few days off duty?
I wonder if Spock and Uhura are bonded, Trip/T'Pol style?
I always enjoy the optimism of some people.
I imagine Spock was promised to T'pring as a child. Choosing between his 'passion' for Uhura and his cultural obligations/duties to T'pring at his next pon farr could be an extension of his conflict between his Starfleet and Vulcan loyalties, or between his human and Vulcan halves.
But: considering that Vulcans are an "endangered species" now, he might bond with a Vulcan regardless out of a sense of "duty". Also, T'pring might've been killed on Vulcan. I'm assuming as a princess she stayed fairly close to home.
But: considering that Vulcans are an "endangered species" now, he might bond with a Vulcan regardless out of a sense of "duty". Also, T'pring might've been killed on Vulcan. I'm assuming as a princess she stayed fairly close to home.
Or the Vulcans could think that Spock's half human genes would be diluting the gene pool. . . or Spock Prime could make Spock's genetic contribution to the race for him, since they have the same genes. . .
It is too early for Spock to go into Pon Farr yet. . . that happened when he was about 35 or so. . .
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^ And there were quite a few Vulcans living offworld when the planet was destroyed. (Orci and Kurtzman have said that the "10,000" figure quoted in the film only includes Vulcans who were on the planet but escaped. There could be ten or a hundred times that number of Vulcans who were already off planet at the time.)
And Spock might not have known how many Vulcans were living outside the system. He was there while the planet was being evacuated, so he'd know how many got off the planet, but not how many were already living 'abroad'.
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There's also Spock's comment that he's helped select a new colony world. If there were other colonies already wouldn't it be easier to go there?
" Nero, who has destroyed my home planet and most of its 6 billion inhabitants. While the essence of our culture has been saved in the elders who now reside upon this ship, I estimate that only about 10,000 Vulcans have survived. I am now a member of an endangered species."
It sounds to me that if there are other Vulcans there aren't many, perhaps a fraction of the 10,000 from the homeworld.
" Nero, who has destroyed my home planet and most of its 6 billion inhabitants. While the essence of our culture has been saved in the elders who now reside upon this ship, I estimate that only about 10,000 Vulcans have survived. I am now a member of an endangered species."
It sounds to me that if there are other Vulcans there aren't many, perhaps a fraction of the 10,000 from the homeworld.
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Probably it's the opposite - I would guess the Vulcans living on those colonies have been 'recalled' and are now on their way back to New Vulcan.
You're incorrect.
Pike said that six billion Vulcans had been killed. If even a million had survived, then Spock's comments on being a member of an endangered species is correct.
On those numbers alone, if Vulcans were an Earth fauna, they'd be Red Listed and perhaps even be put into breeding sanctuaries.
Now, if he'd said that he was a member of "a species with an imminent threat of extinction", I'd agree with you.
If there was a population of one million Siberian Tigers, they wouldn't be on the red list.
^ It depends how many there were before a catastrophic event took place.
It's all about proportions and percentages left surviving.
For example, let's assume that the human population is six billion.
If an epidemic wiped out all but a million people, and those people were immune to the disease, it would be fair to say that based on figures prior to the catastrophe that the human race would be considered to be an endangered species. In fact, if you take into account additional issues such as who survived geographically and the ability to fend (due to our modern lifestyle of consumerism), the likelihood of being endangered increases.
If those who survived had a probability of being susceptible to the epidemic in the future, then there's a good chance that the species may be in imminent threat of extinction.
Broad strokes of the brush, I know, but I believe that the ST09 writers got Spock's statement correct.
It's all about proportions and percentages left surviving.
For example, let's assume that the human population is six billion.
If an epidemic wiped out all but a million people, and those people were immune to the disease, it would be fair to say that based on figures prior to the catastrophe that the human race would be considered to be an endangered species. In fact, if you take into account additional issues such as who survived geographically and the ability to fend (due to our modern lifestyle of consumerism), the likelihood of being endangered increases.
If those who survived had a probability of being susceptible to the epidemic in the future, then there's a good chance that the species may be in imminent threat of extinction.
Broad strokes of the brush, I know, but I believe that the ST09 writers got Spock's statement correct.
Those who would become the Romulans left Vulcan 2000 years ago. It would seem most Romulans have since lost any telepathic abilities (at least some Remans still have them), and since Pon Farr's a result of Vulcan's repressed emotions (at least, I think that's what it is), they don't suffer it. At least it's never come up in an episode.
There have been some great (non-canon) novels about the Vulcan/Romulan split: Spock's World and The Romulan Way in the 80's and the Vulcan's Soul trilogy more recently have told versions of the story.
There have been some great (non-canon) novels about the Vulcan/Romulan split: Spock's World and The Romulan Way in the 80's and the Vulcan's Soul trilogy more recently have told versions of the story.
As long as they don't start greasing up with decontamination gel and playing with each others feet, there's a half way decent chance that I couldn't care less.
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