nu-Mirror universe
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I'd rather see the Nufolks cross into the Primeverse, as I think it would be more of a head-trip. NuKirk meeting PrimeKirk (both played by Chris Pine) could be fun.
Right now there's no reason to believe the NuUniverse is even aware of the existence of any "Mirror" universes, Prime or Nu, though after the events of the movie they have rather good evidence for the existence of alternate timelines in general. A "Mirror, Mirror" incident could be fun, but could also end up feeling horribly derivative. There's no reason to believe a crossover incident will occur in any case. If PrimeSpock was consulted I'm reasonably sure he'd advise against traveling there, and for quite some time it seems the existence of the Mirrorverse had little impact on the OriginalVerse...and even with the later crossovers it seems the Mirrorverse is impacted far more than the Primeverse.
You could have PrimeMUVerse folks try to invade the PrimeVerse and accidentally access the Nuverse instead. I'm not sure how much story potential is there though.
Right now there's no reason to believe the NuUniverse is even aware of the existence of any "Mirror" universes, Prime or Nu, though after the events of the movie they have rather good evidence for the existence of alternate timelines in general. A "Mirror, Mirror" incident could be fun, but could also end up feeling horribly derivative. There's no reason to believe a crossover incident will occur in any case. If PrimeSpock was consulted I'm reasonably sure he'd advise against traveling there, and for quite some time it seems the existence of the Mirrorverse had little impact on the OriginalVerse...and even with the later crossovers it seems the Mirrorverse is impacted far more than the Primeverse.
You could have PrimeMUVerse folks try to invade the PrimeVerse and accidentally access the Nuverse instead. I'm not sure how much story potential is there though.
Did a Mirror Nero appear in Mirror-2233? Was the ISS Kelvin attacked? Was Nero a good guy trying to rid the galaxy of the evil Terran Empire?
But we know Mirror Spock had been killed by DS9's time, so he's not there to stop the supernova in the first place so none of it should have happened to begin with...
But that said, it's already preposterous that the ENT, TOS and DS9 mirror crews are all pretty much where they "should" be after such divergent events in that timeline. I'm sure what kept bringing them together makes Kirk bumping into Old Spock bumping into Scotty on Delta Vega look perfectly reasonable.
But we know Mirror Spock had been killed by DS9's time, so he's not there to stop the supernova in the first place so none of it should have happened to begin with...
But that said, it's already preposterous that the ENT, TOS and DS9 mirror crews are all pretty much where they "should" be after such divergent events in that timeline. I'm sure what kept bringing them together makes Kirk bumping into Old Spock bumping into Scotty on Delta Vega look perfectly reasonable.
Do we know that it was exactly the same mirror universe each time? There are an infinite number after all?
There's only one thing I definitely want to see from the nuVerse: Zachary Quinto as MU Spock.
The rest is Saurian gravy.
The rest is Saurian gravy.
I doubt it. The Empire had already collapsed long before Nero's birth.
let's say the the nu-defiant goes back in time like it did in the prime universe, we can agree that the nu universe tech is more advance than the prime and if the terran emipre controlled so much with the prime universes defiant they could probably do a whole lot more with the nu-defiant
But the timeline didn't start changing until Nero arrived in 2233. And so the mirror universe should be the same until that point, too. The (prime universe) Defiant being in mirror-2154 is no different to Spock Prime being in alternate-2258. They're both products of a different timeline in times and places they shouldn't be. Just like nuSpock won't have to go back in time from 2387 (coz Spock Prime already did), the nuDefiant won't have to, either, because the TOS one is already there.
This making any sense?
I see no reason why the original mirror universe would have been affected by the events of the last Star Trek movie, and so if there was a crossover with it, it should be the same. And really, it might be an interesting element if the MU had been interacting with the Prime-timeline and the Nu-timeline the whole time.
I think I would be more excited, though, to see a crossover with some other sci-fi series altogether: Doctor Who, Firefly, Eureka, or maybe the Enterprise could get flung a long time ago, and into a galaxy far, far away. But I don't want to see anything like any of that for at least one more movie, unless they start a TV series.
I think I would be more excited, though, to see a crossover with some other sci-fi series altogether: Doctor Who, Firefly, Eureka, or maybe the Enterprise could get flung a long time ago, and into a galaxy far, far away.
But I don't want to see anything like any of that for at least one more movie, unless they start a TV series.
I still don't believe we know this, and will repeat here my hypothesis that the nuUniverse diverges in the events of Star Trek First Contact.
I define "know" as the intent of the filmmakers (stated in interviews), the doctine the tie-in materials (novels, comics, games etc) are made to follow and the dialogue in the move itself (what Spock says). They all say the alternate reality began with the attack on the Kelvin in 2233.
Plus, the events of First Contact were mentioned in Voyager as well as Enterprise. And since Voyager ties into TNG, STVI and DS9, that means the "First Contact spawned an alternate timeline" theory requires a lot of canon be ignored in order to work.
I haven't given this too much thought, nosiree.
Plus, the events of First Contact were mentioned in Voyager as well as Enterprise. And since Voyager ties into TNG, STVI and DS9, that means the "First Contact spawned an alternate timeline" theory requires a lot of canon be ignored in order to work.
I haven't given this too much thought, nosiree.
Proves nothing, since the Enterprise-E returned to its own future through the same anomaly it went back through - which was destabilizing toward the end of the movie, I would speculate, because the increasing changes were making it harder to stay connected to the other end. Of course Voyager etc would know about those events - the E came back to tell them, and we know they didn't know about them before, from historical data or whatever, because Picard would have known what to expect if they had.
As a counterpoint, I will offer that there were the remains of the Borg sphere on Earth in Archer's time as shown on "Enterprise" - which would not have been there before the temporal interference of ST:FC.
Also, Spock was speculating, and none of the rest of that is canon.
I, too, have given this way too much thought.
It wasn't Picard. Seven said "The Borg were present during those events" to Harry and B'Elanna when they were discussing Cochrane's Phoenix and First Contact. Also, Voyager was lost before the 24th century portion of First Contact takes place. Therefore the Borg's interference in 2063 was always a part of the ENT/TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY past.
ENT also ties into TOS and TNG in "In a Mirror, Darkly" (Archer and Hoshi's service records are in the Defiant's database) and "These are the Voyages" (which was essentially a TNG epilogue)
I've given this more too much thought than you
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ENT also ties into TOS and TNG in "In a Mirror, Darkly" (Archer and Hoshi's service records are in the Defiant's database) and "These are the Voyages" (which was essentially a TNG epilogue)
I've given this more too much thought than you
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Yeah. Okay. Crap. I had forgotten about what Seven said.I've given this more too much thought than you
Dammit. My ideas about what could be going on aren't as fun, now.
Waitaminute. ST:FC took place in during the season before 7 of 9 joined Voyager. Which means that she was still part of the Collective when it happened, and potentially knew that the time sphere was sent, and when to - and thus, that the Borg were present during the time that Cochrane's flight took place. That does not necessarily mean that she knew the specifics of what happened after the sphere arrived in that timeframe.
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In an infinite number of universes, there are an infinite number of possibilities. So in at least one MU, the events can play out however we want them to. There's one MU where Spock Prime actually survived long enough to go back...
Waitaminute. ST:FC took place in during the season before 7 of 9 joined Voyager. Which means that she was still part of the Collective when it happened, and potentially knew that the time sphere was sent, and when to - and thus, that the Borg were present during the time that Cochrane's flight took place. That does not necessarily mean that she knew the specifics of what happened after the sphere arrived in that timeframe.
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But then she wouldn't say "the Borg were present" because she'd have no proof they actually arrived in the past. She'd say, at best, "the Borg attempted a mission to that era"
How does she know? At the end of "Regeneration", the surviving First Contact Borg sent a message alerting the collective to the existence of Earth, and the events of First Contact, which would arrive in the Delta Quadrant in 200 years' time.
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True.
Since we know of three realities so far, is there any reason to believe there isn't an infinite number of realities? Why would the number stop a three or three quadrillion?
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