Now It Bugs Me (Sword of Kahless)

[Starfleet Engineer]

Watching The Sword of Kahless this time, it really bugs me that Kor and Worf agree to beam the sword into space and just let this sacred artifact float around for anyone to get or anything to happen to it. Worf's explanation that it would divide the empire or destroy the empire in civil war is weak. Kor seems like an unintelligent child the way he goes along with Worf. Just all kinds of problems. Ugh.

 

[Kor]

In the game Star Trek: Armada, Worf is able to go back the exact spot where they left it and retrieve it to unite the Klingons (who are on the verge of civil war yet again).

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

Watching The Sword of Kahless this time, it really bugs me that Kor and Worf agree to beam the sword into space and just let this sacred artifact float around for anyone to get or anything to happen to it. Worf's explanation that it would divide the empire or destroy the empire in civil war is weak. Kor seems like an unintelligent child the way he goes along with Worf. Just all kinds of problems. Ugh.

Based on what I've learned from Star Trek: Enterprise, Kor was simply acting like a Klingon in their true form on DS9. Genetic experiments can be a tricky thing for victims like Kor. In "The Sword of Kahless," Worf and Kor's reasoning was understandable based on their character development.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Having Worf join the DS9 crew was a big mistake, in my opinion. There were occasional points of interest, but in the main, it was like when Seven of Nine took over Voyager. That's what Worf did to DS9. Everything had to be Klingoncentric all the time, which only encouraged the species to get goofier and goofier ... Kahless is a good case in point.

 

[Terok Nor]

Having Worf join the DS9 crew was a big mistake, in my opinion. There were occasional points of interest, but in the main, it was like when Seven of Nine took over Voyager. That's what Worf did to DS9. Everything had to be Klingoncentric all the time, which only encouraged the species to get goofier and goofier ... Kahless is a good case in point.

I disagree. Worf and Seven Of Nine made their shows better in my opinion. That said, I agree about the Klingons being goofy. As much as I love Worf I didn't care for the Klingon episodes very much after Season 4.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Seven of Nine was at least charming, in her own way ... especially, with her innocent distractions as she attempted to find herself. The Klingons weren't unsure of themselves. They wanted to be whacked out and made damn sure that they were in the most overbearing and awkward way possible.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Having Worf join the DS9 crew was a big mistake, in my opinion. There were occasional points of interest, but in the main, it was like when Seven of Nine took over Voyager. That's what Worf did to DS9. Everything had to be Klingoncentric all the time, which only encouraged the species to get goofier and goofier ... Kahless is a good case in point.

I have to agree though I wouldn't say the character took over (unlike Star Trek: Seven), but rather Klingon stories and plots, making an already overused species even more tedious after a while (seriously how can talking about honour all the time be honourable?). Granted, we did get Martok returning because of him, who is one of the few Klingons I quite like watching, but they could easily have worked him in without having Worf on the station. Had they decided to keep Sub-Commander T'Rul as a recurring character then having Worf onboard could've been more interesting, but as it was he really didn't do much for me (and I won't even start on interrupting the Jadzia/Julian relationship).

When having a rewatch of DS9, SoK is typically an episode I skip, as with a few other Klingon-heavy ones.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Worf's explanation that it would divide the empire or destroy the empire in civil war is weak.

In the game Star Trek: Armada, Worf is able to go back the exact spot where they left it and retrieve it to unite the Klingons (who are on the verge of civil war yet again).

To the Sword of Kahless: The cause of, and solution to, all the Klingons' civil war problems!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

At least they were not the dolts they were made to be on TNG.

 

[2takesfrakes]

... making an already overused species even more tedious after a while

This was the most frustrating aspect about the Klingons, for me. Writing for them was apparently easy, because they were this "anything goes" card, sort of like Q, being so over-the-top, as it were. They've got this wild makeup and these exaggerated costumest and they talk weird ... these things just seemed to trigger the worst writing instincts of the show's staff. And Trekkies are so forgiving, anyway ... it wasn't until -ENTERPRISE- that they started jumping ship. But there's definitely this impression that we're supposed to be glad to see these outlandish characters acting like buffoons, every other episode. I never got it, because I was never that taken by them. The Klingons in TMP and TSFS are cool,. but after that they sucked, so very badly ...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

They've got this wild makeup and these exaggerated costumest and they talk weird ... these things just seemed to trigger the worst writing instincts of the show's staff.

Sounds like knights ... or samurai.

 

[Jedman67]

I think DS9 benefited from the klingon stories (mostly, one of the main exceptions is "Looking for Par'Mach In All The Wrong Places"; not bad just ughh).
Making them all into violent-tantrum prone hard cases was certainly annoying at times; but there was a rich culture there to be explored. Making Worf recurring after S4 probably would have been best; there was too much testosterone in his episodes.

 

[STEPhon IT]

This was the most frustrating aspect about the Klingons, for me. Writing for them was apparently easy, because they were this "anything goes" card, sort of like Q, being so over-the-top, as it were. They've got this wild makeup and these exaggerated costumest and they talk weird ... these things just seemed to trigger the worst writing instincts of the show's staff. And Trekkies are so forgiving, anyway ... it wasn't until -ENTERPRISE- that they started jumping ship. But there's definitely this impression that we're supposed to be glad to see these outlandish characters acting like buffoons, every other episode. I never got it, because I was never that taken by them. The Klingons in TMP and TSFS are cool,. but after that they sucked, so very badly ...

Meh. I differ, I thought the Klingons from TVH and TUC were cool, but the TMP, TSFS, and everything during TNG era was pure sh*t.

 

[Relayer1]

Worf joining DS9 was another step up the ladder for the show. It didn't derail it, it strengthened it. Would it have been the best Trek show without him ? Probably, but it didn't hurt...

 

[JirinPanthosa]

That episode is awful. Worf and Kor act completely out of character. And the idea that an ancient artifact could magically end all the Empire's problems.

Also they retcon Worf's motives for sparing Toral to an act of weakness instead of a stand on principal.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Meh. I differ, I thought the Klingons from TVH and TUC were cool, but the TMP, TSFS, and everything during TNG era was pure sh*t.

Are you serious? Or are you just curious, to see what response I'll type? The Klingons in The Undiscovered Country were otherwise generic, except for Chang's scenery chewing. The Voyage Home had the Klingon Ambassador who was surprisingly eloquent, but otherwise double-teamed by Sarek and the Federation President, until frustration compelled him to storm out.

 

[Jonny]

To the Sword of Kahless: The cause of, and solution to, all the Klingons' civil war problems!

Nice little Simpsons reference there.

 

[TheSubCommander]

That episode is awful. Worf and Kor act completely out of character. And the idea that an ancient artifact could magically end all the Empire's problems.

Also they retcon Worf's motives for sparing Toral to an act of weakness instead of a stand on principal.

Agreed.

Generally speaking, I am actually a fan of featuring more Klingons on DS9, and I like Worf.
But like someone else said, it might have been better if Worf were a recurring cast member, like General Martok: still there frequently, but not the entire focus of the show. Worf sort of pushed the other characters, namely Odo, Kira, and even Sisko to the side at times, and they had to marry Worf off to Jadzia to keep her character relevant.

Also, I feel that certain episodes, Sword of Khaless being chief among them, totally derailed Worf's character, and he acted out of character in that episode.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Agreed.

Generally speaking, I am actually a fan of featuring more Klingons on DS9, and I like Worf.
But like someone else said, it might have been better if Worf were a recurring cast member, like General Martok: still there frequently, but not the entire focus of the show. Worf sort of pushed the other characters, namely Odo, Kira, and even Sisko to the side at times, and they had to marry Worf off to Jadzia to keep her character relevant.

Also, I feel that certain episodes, Sword of Khaless being chief among them, totally derailed Worf's character, and he acted out of character in that episode.

I don't know what it is that you are seeing. Season 3 had 12 episodes focused on Sisko, Kira or Odo; Season 4 had 10; Season 5 had 11; Season 6 had 12; and in Season 7, before the "Final Chapters," there were 7 episodes. Every episodes of the six-part arc had Kira as the central character of the B-story, and she was often the central character of the A-story in the final arc. She also carries or ties together the series' last scenes. One quarter of the seasons' episodes were generally Sisko character episodes.

Only once was Worf the major character of a season opener or finale, "The Way of the Warrior," which introduced his character. He was the lead character of the C-story in the Season 7 opener. Conversely, Sisko was always the main character of every season premier and finale, save TWOTW, Homecoming, and Broken Link (Worf, Kira, and Odo, respectively).

If anything, Worf took time away from other character, mostly Dax (which made their romance useful).

 

[JirinPanthosa]

After early season four I don't think Worf got any more screen time than any other character.