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Novelisations of the movies...

Read the first 6 when the films were current. Novelizations usually came out right in front of the films so I would read them and be happily spoiled.
TMP is really good. Read it and read Christopher Bennett's Ex Machina immediately after- they read like 2 volumes.
The TFF book made me think the film would be good- vastly superior to the movie. If only they had filmed the book, the 3 dozen TFF Hate posts on this board wouldn't exist.
 
Do you know where I can find this audio? I know that the promotion scene was filmed. I just didn't know that Excelsior was named.



I've reread TMP, TWOK, and TSFS many times over the years. The funny thing about TWOK and TSFS is that the very best parts are not from the film. Then she gets to what was on screen and it kind of slows the book down!

Saavik is amazing in both novels.

She has a couple of quirks to her writing. She refuses to capitalize "Earth", everyone is a polytheist (reading it now, it sounds like nuBSG), and she will not write the astronomically inaccurate Ceti Alpha. She insists on Alpha Ceti.

TVH had almost none of the pop and sizzle of the other two novels. I read it once in 1986. There is some good stuff about the trial. She also does a common novelization trick of trying to make a dumb scene make sense. Scotty explains to McCoy that he was just pulling Bones' leg: Of course he knows who invented transparent aluminum: It was this guy. So it's all fine. There is a subplot of a conspiracy theorist hounding our Heroes, which now that I think of it may have been left over from Eddie Murphy's character.

There is some very good stuff on Vulcan. Another happy coincidence: In TSFS VM explained Amanda's absense by saying that she was an adept at whatever order it was that ran Mt. Seleya so she could not be involved with the Fal Tor Pan. Then we get to TVH and there she is!

I started to read TFF. There is a lot of good character stuff. Sadly I never finished it, though I did finish the novelization of Batman that summer. So sad. I did read The Lost Years, also by J.M. Dillard, which seemed to follow some of her threads on Vulcan society.

Her TUC was alright. As mentioned, it has a subplot that the cloaked Bird of Prey had been causing mayhem on Federation worlds. It nearly kills Carol Marcus, who Kirk has reunited with as he neared retirement.

She does re-write the mind meld scene to make it far more consensual. "Spock would never cross that line!" I think he would. If it were logical.


Yes. 1) I too thought it was ADF.
2) I feel very foolish that I ever thought so, because as you said, it's mainline Roddenberry, for all the reasons you mentioned. I first read it when I was eleven. I read it now and I realize that only GR could have come up with the Deltans. The man had issues.

It gives Roddenberry the chance to make a pretty good reconciliation between his advanced future society and why his characters on TV acted like they walked out of Gunsmoke. Kirk and the men and women of the frontier are throwbacks and not really in step with what is going on in "civilized" parts of the Federation.

It's adorable how he has an Officer's Lounge where anybody may enter because we don't discriminate on rank. But nobody does out of respect for the officers. So it isn't discrimination if it's voluntary? I have always wondered what would happen to the crewman who said "Hey, there's a helluva view up there. I'm gonna go chill."

I do wish he had written more. I wonder if I would love TMP as much as I do without this novel.

I loved the Batman novel....and dearly miss a lot of the eighties film novelisations. I really want Batman, Tron, Back to future 2, Dick Tracy, and Grease. My copies literally disentegrated or disappeared somewhere in the early nineties. Maybe I will get lucky and they will resurface as ebooks.
 
I wonder if the incredibly stilted "I'm delighted. Any chance to go aboard the Enterprise, however briefly, is always an excuse for nostalgia," line is why they trimmed the scene. Who the hell talks like that?

George Takei's weird way of pronouncing "nostalgia" doesn't help either, but I suppose that could have been fixed in a looping session.
 
It's been many years, but I've read both the TMP and TWoK novelizations. The polytheism thing turns up in dialogue near the end of the latter: Sulu says "oh, gods" when he learns of Spock's death. And he does die completely; the torpedo-tube coffin is described as burning up in the atmosphere of the Genesis planet. (I never read any further tie-in books, so I have no idea how he's brought back in TSFS. His combusted atoms reassemble on the surface?)

In the TWoK novelization, I also recall several halfhearted stabs at continuity from TMP - an offhand mention of a crew member being a Deltan, that sort of thing. Wasn't worth the minimal effort to have done so.
 
It's been many years, but I've read both the TMP and TWoK novelizations. The polytheism thing turns up in dialogue near the end of the latter: Sulu says "oh, gods" when he learns of Spock's death. And he does die completely; the torpedo-tube coffin is described as burning up in the atmosphere of the Genesis planet. (I never read any further tie-in books, so I have no idea how he's brought back in TSFS. His combusted atoms reassemble on the surface?)

In the TWoK novelization, I also recall several halfhearted stabs at continuity from TMP - an offhand mention of a crew member being a Deltan, that sort of thing. Wasn't worth the minimal effort to have done so.

Actually there is a direct connection because McCoy mentions that Kirk should have kept his command after Voyager. They also quote "Thattaway" when leaving drydock. The Deltan characterS are more than offhand. They are Regula scientists and being Deltan turns into a plot point.

The torpedo is INTENDED to burn up. Saavik programs it to intersect the last remnant of the Genesis wave. As we see in TSFS (both film and book) that's not what happens.

Oh, and Sulu's "Oh gods" is actually McCoy making fun of his performance on the Kobayashi Maru sim. McCoy is mocking Sulu's reaction to Spock's "death". I'll have to look it up. I don't think Sulu says anything when he finds out about Spock. He finds out from Christine Chapel because he's in sickbay after his console explodes. David Marcus saves his life.
 
My understanding of the 'gods' quirk was that everyone is now an atheist (as per Roddenberry). Traditional monotheism is such a thing of the past that characters don't even reference the Judeo-Christian God anymore in their exclamations.

Which was a thoughtless move on Roddenberry's part, as TOS clearly featured characters believing in the Judeo-Christian God. That does not vanish in the alleged few years between the end of TOS and TMP. Moreover, one cannot look at a character like McCoy or Kirk in the movies and think they are atheists to any degree. In fact, Kirk's battle against Sybok in TFF was typical of Kirk: tearing down false Gods (recall his "We find the one quite sufficient" to Apollo and psychologically dressing down Gary Mitchell's self-made notions of being a god), as he clearly believed in the one.

In any case, the Roddenberry issue would not be the first time he dumped weak or strange ideas on ST.
 
Which was a thoughtless move on Roddenberry's part, as TOS clearly featured characters believing in the Judeo-Christian God...
In the novel of TMP, he gave the Vulcans a seventh sense that left them know there was a creator.

Diane Duane expanded on it in Spock's World. (I love that book.)
 
Which was a thoughtless move on Roddenberry's part, as TOS clearly featured characters believing in the Judeo-Christian God. That does not vanish in the alleged few years between the end of TOS and TMP. Moreover, one cannot look at a character like McCoy or Kirk in the movies and think they are atheists to any degree. In fact, Kirk's battle against Sybok in TFF was typical of Kirk: tearing down false Gods (recall his "We find the one quite sufficient" to Apollo and psychologically dressing down Gary Mitchell's self-made notions of being a god), as he clearly believed in the one.

In any case, the Roddenberry issue would not be the first time he dumped weak or strange ideas on ST.

"Dammit, Spock!"
"Doctor, please elaborate. Which deity are you invoking for the purpose of condemning me?"
"Uh, none of them. It's just an old Southern expression I picked up. I don't believe in any of that nonsense."
"Fascinating. Perhaps you can educate me further on your use of colorful metaphors when you consider the source material meaningless."
"Dammit, Spock!"
 
I looked it up this morning. I had it wrong. SULU makes fun of McCOY after the Kobayashi Maru. But Sulu's response to the news of Spock's death is "Oh gods." Damn it, now I have to see if anyone ELSE in the book other than Sulu is explicitly polytheistic. Chekov is rather hilariously communist (as opposed to just Russian).

I also had forgotten how VM took the dialog from the script as a suggestion. Kirk's eulogy hit's the same beats but uses almost none of the same words. It (and TSFS) are such fascinating novels because they almost thread through what we saw on screen.

Going in a slightly different direction, I don't like it when a novelist inverts a fairly plain scene after the fact. I already mentioned J.M. Dillard's take on the mind meld in TUC. In TSFS Valkris says "Success, my lord ...and my love" when she knows that Kruge will kill her to tie up loose ends. Kruge is one cold Klingon SOB, right? Welllll according to VM he wasn't really her love. They didn't know each other, but Kruge was going to restore her family's honor. She just said that in a flood of emotion. Um... Ok.

Other than that, Valkris' story in TSFS is fascinating and is definitely an early example of Klingon world building. (If I have my timelines right, it predates The Final Reflection by a year.) There's a whole subplot with her and the crew of the tramp freighter she ships out on.

Damn it, people. Now I'm going to have to re-read all of these!
 
Going in a slightly different direction, I don't like it when a novelist inverts a fairly plain scene after the fact. I already mentioned J.M. Dillard's take on the mind meld in TUC. In TSFS Valkris says "Success, my lord ...and my love" when she knows that Kruge will kill her to tie up loose ends. Kruge is one cold Klingon SOB, right? Welllll according to VM he wasn't really her love. They didn't know each other, but Kruge was going to restore her family's honor. She just said that in a flood of emotion. Um... Ok.
Agreed. Nothing throws me out of a novelization faster than the author working at cross-purposes to the screenplay. And 90% of the time, it's not an improvement. How does making Kruge less ruthless serve the story?
 
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Thanks to the magic of Google Books search. I checked out the 'gods' references in McIntyre's novelizations:

TWOK: https://tinyurl.com/y9a8dhrb 10 references
TSFS: https://tinyurl.com/y87jwwch 20 references

Oddly enough TVH has Scott use "God's". She must have been slipping (or perhaps her editor was a monotheist).
https://tinyurl.com/y75738l
Nice! Thanks! VM's characters are AMAZING. I do have half a mind to compile a comparison between her dialog and Meyers'.

Fine young Scott from Aberdeen going in for that hippy nonsense? ;)

Started reading TWOK last night. Wow, what a different feel that opening has when it 1) doesn't have the "gotcha" of the film and 2) zeroes in on Saavik's character and her relationship to Spock right away. I'm sure it's this book as much as if not more that Alley's performance that makes me cringe at most other representation's of that character. (Pandora Principle is of course wonderful.)

If TUC had kept Saavik as the turncoat instead of "Valeris" (a pretty obvious Saavik retread) it would have broken my heart and jumped up and down on it. Which was, of course, the idea.

Apropos of nothing, I first read TWOK on the plane flight home from my granmother's funeral, about a month after the film came out. A fellow passenger was kind enough to lend a thirteen year old nerd his copy.
 
I too, read all the novels 1-5 before the movies came out and they so exciting and engrossing. The movies never quite matched up because so much was missing.
 
I read the novels of 1 and 5 when I was a teenager and thought they were okay, although I don't really remember them. I did like the descriptions of future earth in 1, like how they changed the Mediterranean sea, and I liked how Kirk was in a relationship with some lady admiral who turned out to be one of the people who got killed in the transporter accident. In 5 I think they showed more of Sybok using his mind powers, including on Sulu, I think, to remove their guilt about something that happened to their friend when they were a kid. This thread has got me really interested in tracking down the 2, 3, 4 ones though.
 
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