Noticed something while watching Flesh & Stone

[propita]

SPOILERS!!!!!


Well, spoilers to people who haven't watched this season through.


In the forest with the angels chasing them, Amy is told to sit with her eyes closed while the Doctor, River, and Father Octavian look for a way out. The Doctor comes back, tells Amy to trust him and to remember.

NOW we know that this was the Doctor from The Big Bang, but we didn't know it then. What I noticed is that this was shot in extreme close-up, but the Doctor's shoulder is slightly visible. And he's wearing a coat. He lost his coat to the angels earlier and does not have it later.

Which means that it was planned all the way back then to have
this be the later Doctor. I know people have said that, and others doubted it, but this shows that it all was planned way ahead and they weren't just flying by the seats of their pants.

 

[Dac]

Err, I thought this was always known to be the case? Even when it aired, people pointed out his coat was different.

 

[G2309]

Of course lots of things in the final show it was planned all the way through with several clues. Made the final all the better.

 

[Anachronus]

Easy to do since it is not filmed sequentially.

 

[wamdue]

sorry im confused is the OP expressing surprise that the whole series of 13 episodes was planned in one go?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I think so. Not unreasonable. RTD didn't plan anything ahead.

 

[Professor Zoom]

sorry im confused is the OP expressing surprise that the whole series of 13 episodes was planned in one go?

I think so....

 

[DWF]

I think so. Not unreasonable. RTD didn't plan anything ahead.

Huh? He planned the Master's return from the very start in fact even before the new series started.

 

[wamdue]

I think so. Not unreasonable. RTD didn't plan anything ahead.

what rubbish every episode of S1 added to the series finale in some small way.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, every season is usually tightly knit with its own continuity. Hell, most episodes are written before filming even begins, so they can make all these little touches, like the Doctor with his jacket in Flesh and Stone.

However, what I think the OP is trying to refer to are people who have been wondering if Moffat planned some of the revelations from S6 back when he was doing S5, or if he's "flying by the seat of his pants."

 

[Alidar Jarok]

OK, "anything" was an overstatement. But Bad Wolf doesn't make a lot of sense. He's admitted he just writes and figures out how the episode should end at the end. I like his writing, but planning things out wasn't his strong suit.

 

[G2309]

OK, "anything" was an overstatement. But Bad Wolf doesn't make a lot of sense. He's admitted he just writes and figures out how the episode should end at the end. I like his writing, but planning things out wasn't his strong suit.

If they were he'd have more satisfying conclusions.

 

[Mr Light]

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought the RTD season finales were amazing. Doomsday... Last Time Lords (aside from Dr.Jesus)... Journey's End... four stars! I did find The End of Time to be incredibly disappointing though.

 

[The Wormhole]

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought the RTD season finales were amazing. Doomsday... Last Time Lords (aside from Dr.Jesus)... Journey's End... four stars! I did find The End of Time to be incredibly disappointing though.

The Parting of the Ways is an excellent finale and perfect episode. Doomsday is pretty damn good, but I never thought it compared to Parting of the Ways.

I was quite harsh on Last of the Time Lords when I first saw it, but over the years I've developed more of an appreciation for it. It is pretty decent, but even to this day I still start to groan and cringe at the Jesus of Gallifrey bit.

Journey's End is a really average episode with awesome moments. Davros is awesome, I really dig most of the scenes he's in, especially when he's taunting the Doctor for all the death he's caused and for turning his companions into murderous soldiers. Unfortunately, the episode all falls apart with Donna's Dalek Dance Party saving the day. Though again, the episode is saved by the scene where the TARDIS tows Earth back to the solar system and the final scene with the Doctor and Wilf saying good-bye.

 

[mimic]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoicPQukLA[/yt]

So, no one ever comments if the lack of ducks in the duck pond was a planned reference to the crack erasing things, i.e. ducks got zapped, no ducks in the duck pond.

 

[23skidoo]

The Flesh and Stone two-parter was the first story to be filmed, so yeah, it's pretty obvious Moffat had everything planned from the start with regards to the other Doctor, etc. And we knew before Season 5 even began airing that there were story elements that were going to carry over into 6. Basically we're in the midst of the first 26-episode (well, 27 if you count A Christmas Carol) story arc since The Key to Time. From what I understand the only "seat of the pants" element is a single cameo in A Good Man Goes to War that was added at the last minute, though not as much the last minute as some people think since it had to have been added during regular production of that episode. An example of Moffat planning ahead was he ordered the old TARDIS set preserved so it could be used for the Gaiman episode, whenever they got round to shooting it.

RTD had a game plan for Bad Wolf, even if the actual meme itself wasn't added till production was under way. Although Eccleston announced he was leaving midway through production, now that we know why Eccleston left, RTD had to have known early on that he wasn't going to be staying long - it just makes sense because they had to cast the Tenth Doctor while production was underway on Series One, and get him in place in time to film the regeneration. You don't do these things at the last minute. The whole season was building up to two things - Rose's transformation into Bad Wolf and the regeneration. Sadly, the BBC publicity office screwed things up as RTD wanted the regeneration to be a complete surprise to viewers (he learned his lessons well from that since Catherine Tate's appearance in Doomsday and Rose's appearance in Partners in Crime were successfully kept surprises, though he failed to keep Timothy Dalton as Rassilon a secret - read Writer's Tale: Final Chapter and you'll see RTD royally pissed at that).

Alex

 

[David cgc]

So, no one ever comments if the lack of ducks in the duck pond was a planned reference to the crack erasing things, i.e. ducks got zapped, no ducks in the duck pond.

That actually makes the most sense of anything I've heard. I remember some people insisting the duck pond scene had to be the pivot upon which the entire series turned, because they went to the trouble to put in a fake duck pond in the town rather than change the line, not caring that that's not really how production works.

 

[propita]

Hey, OP here!

Yeah, I was referring to comments about "not planning ahead.". Aside from spoilers here, I usually don't go looking up Who spoilers, but just enjoy the ride and speculations.

Just loving the show and the discussions here.

Thanks for not ripping my ignorance a new one.

 

[Trubinator]

You can see from Silence in the Library and that fireplace episode that SM plans well in advance. He's the British equivalent of JMS of Babylon 5 fame, I think.

 

[The Wormhole]

You can see from Silence in the Library and that fireplace episode that SM plans well in advance. He's the British equivalent of JMS of Babylon 5 fame, I think.

You mind explaining that one? Aside from introducing River and the referance to the Byzantium, I don't see what was established in the Library episodes that has since been touched upon, and I can't think of anything in Girl in the Fireplace that has any connetion to seasons 5 or 6. Aside from being copied and retitled The Eleventh Hour.