Spoilers Noonian Soong is still alive and we have seen him in Season 1

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  1. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Came upon the following thread on Reddit at r/daystrominstitute and was absolutely mindblown and needed to share it here, especially when i read the comment section.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn...dj/dr_soong_datas_creator_never_actually_died

    To make it short, Altan Inigo Soong = Alter Ego Soong

    Think it's possible that Data's creator faked his death, especially as the redditor who made this thread found some other clues in "Brothers" that Soong never died in that episode.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Ronald Held

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    In the Litverse, Soong transfered his consciousness into a Android body. He could have done the same in the TNG episode. Why pretend to be his son, versus a new Identity?
     
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  3. fireproof78

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    Arrogance, perhaps, or unwilling to let go of his legacy.
     
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  4. Unimatrix Q

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    Maybe he had made himself some enemies during the years and tried to stay out of sight by pretending to be his son.

    Guess that at the end of "Brothers", with the help of Data, he may have transmitted his mind inside another Golem body. Hence Altan Inigo Soong. Afterwards he may have erased Data's memories or simply gave him a command to never mention what really happened.
     
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  5. Tuskin38

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    They already confirmed this wasn't the case. It was also Brent Spiner that suggested the name according to the writers.
     
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    I long for the day when Star Trek return to its glory by creating new aliens and scenarios for their heroes. Ever since ENT, showrunners just can't seem to move on and continuing to dive into elements which were well presented on better shows (TOS, TNG) with the least amount of time. Stories would be told in one or two episodes back then, but now it takes an entire season to tell and still are incomplete.
     
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  7. Unimatrix Q

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    Might be kind of a misdirection, if there actually never was a "Noonien" Soong and it was always Arik the whole time ;)
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Why would they? We keep rewarding it.
     
  9. Unimatrix Q

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    These things happened already in Lower Decks. And from what i read, SNW is also supposed to be episodic like the older shows.
     
  10. Tuskin38

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    Erm, Discovery has been doing exactly that.
     
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    Plot twist: Altan is actually Ira Graves in a golem body! XD
     
  12. Kor

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    What I think Ronald Held meant was, why keep a Soong link at all? If he had made enemies, then they might go after any of Soong's kin in an effort to find Soong himself. Why not change his face and take on a completely unrelated identity?

    Kor
     
  13. Unimatrix Q

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    As @fireproof78 said, perhaps it was arrogance or he was unwilling to completely let go of his legacy.

    Or he was trying to preserve a kind of connection to his androids, which he regarded as part of his family.
     
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  14. Dukhat

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    Or it’s not his alter ego, and it just coincidentally sounds that way.
     
  15. Ronald Held

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    In the Litverse he created multiple alternate identities. No reason not to do it in PIC. Maybe he did and only told Maddox who he really was?
     
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    We have no evidence one way or the other so it is possible.
     
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    It would be awesome to see a Cold Equations inspired miniseries on P+
     
  18. Ronald Held

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    Sure but what reason would they have to do so? Unless they admit Altan is really Noonian posing as his son.
     
  19. Boris Skrbic

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    What if he’s just Lore?
     
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