Non-UFP polities and the underdeveloped planets in their space
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Probably exploited them, at least that's what I can see the Klingons 
and Ferengi doing. It seems like the Trabe exploited the Kazon and the Romulans 
exploited the Remans, and in my opinion they (Kazon, Remans) had to be pre-warp to be so heavily exploited... but I could be wrong.
At least we know the Borg
are kind enough to not go out of their way to conquer under-developed species (unless you're human! *ahem* FC)
and Ferengi doing. It seems like the Trabe exploited the Kazon and the Romulans exploited the Remans, and in my opinion they (Kazon, Remans) had to be pre-warp to be so heavily exploited... but I could be wrong.At least we know the Borg
are kind enough to not go out of their way to conquer under-developed species (unless you're human! *ahem* FC)
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We saw the Klingons trampling on the supposedly agrarian Organians and trying to influence the Capellans and the primitives of Tyree's planet for strategic gain.
However, none of these maneuvers was actually aimed at conquering the primitive worlds in question for the sake of conquest, but for indirect strategic goals instead. And OTOH the Feds acted the exact same way with the Organians and the Capellans, and eventually with Tyree's folks as well. Strategic needs clearly override any "isolation procedures", at least in times of crisis in the 23rd century.
In contrast, very few of the 24th century villains are said to have been messing with primitives. The Son'a did this to two peoples, and our heroes were disgusted, but there's no explicit mention of the Klingons or Romulans or the TNG-era Feds doing that sort of stuff.
Timo Saloniemi
However, none of these maneuvers was actually aimed at conquering the primitive worlds in question for the sake of conquest, but for indirect strategic goals instead. And OTOH the Feds acted the exact same way with the Organians and the Capellans, and eventually with Tyree's folks as well. Strategic needs clearly override any "isolation procedures", at least in times of crisis in the 23rd century.
In contrast, very few of the 24th century villains are said to have been messing with primitives. The Son'a did this to two peoples, and our heroes were disgusted, but there's no explicit mention of the Klingons or Romulans or the TNG-era Feds doing that sort of stuff.
Timo Saloniemi
the Cardassians annexed Bajor for its resources and it was a pre-warp caste-based primitive society.
Wasn't it was implied that Bajor had travelled in space previously (before the occupation)?
Using the light-ships, yes they had, several centuries before the Cardassian occupation.
Gul Dukat describes the Bajorans at the time of the start of the Occupation as having been about 100 years behind the Cardassians in terms of technology, but that doesn't tell us anything, especially if Bajor's was a technologically stagnant culture.
But there's no evidence whatsoever that the Bajorans were pre-warp.
But there's no evidence whatsoever that the Bajorans were pre-warp.
However, there's evidence Bajor wasn't interested in space exploration and exploitation much. According to "Progress", there was a Class M moon orbiting their very homeworld, and they hadn't populated it yet!
One might of course say that they had, and had then abandoned it, and repopulated it, and reabandoned it, a hundred times over. Even though their lightsails were said to be 800 years old, it was actually at least 800 years old; Bajor might have had interplanetary spaceflight for tens of thousands of years for all we know.
It could well be a psychological rather than technological thing: classic Bajorans simply aren't interested in going elsewhere, anywhere. Hell, there are mountains on Bajor that have not yet been scaled - after hundreds of millennia of Bajoran civilization!
Timo Saloniemi
One might of course say that they had, and had then abandoned it, and repopulated it, and reabandoned it, a hundred times over. Even though their lightsails were said to be 800 years old, it was actually at least 800 years old; Bajor might have had interplanetary spaceflight for tens of thousands of years for all we know.
It could well be a psychological rather than technological thing: classic Bajorans simply aren't interested in going elsewhere, anywhere. Hell, there are mountains on Bajor that have not yet been scaled - after hundreds of millennia of Bajoran civilization!
Timo Saloniemi
i was under the impression that The Circle trilogy said or strongly implied the impulse raiders were the height of Bajoran sophistication. and were non-warp.
"The Siege" made no claim about the warp drives of those vessels - it merely established that they had impulse and Kira's little skiff did not. Other episodes showed vessels of this design operating in interstellar space, once in the mirror universe and once over at TNG in Maquis hands. In "Shadows and Symbols", a mixed fleet of transports and these interceptors was referred to as an "impulse fleet", though, which might suggest that the interceptors were indeed limited to impulse speeds because the transports obviously had to have warp drives. Perhaps some of the interceptors were completed without warp drives, due to lack of funds or other resources, while others had the full interstellar gear?
Bajor's "state of sophistication" included at least three variants of triangular-hull interstellar transports. We have no evidence one way or the other whether any (or all) of these designs were native Bajoran or foreign purchases), as none of the designs was operated solely by Bajor. However, two of the designs were only really seen in Bajoran and Cardassian hands, so we might argue that either of those was the originating culture.
The Occupation would most probably have deprived Bajor of most of its high-tech assets. The triangular freighters might be what remained, or what the Cardassians left behind, or what the Bajoran resistance captured from the Cardassians.
Timo Saloniemi
Bajor's "state of sophistication" included at least three variants of triangular-hull interstellar transports. We have no evidence one way or the other whether any (or all) of these designs were native Bajoran or foreign purchases), as none of the designs was operated solely by Bajor. However, two of the designs were only really seen in Bajoran and Cardassian hands, so we might argue that either of those was the originating culture.
The Occupation would most probably have deprived Bajor of most of its high-tech assets. The triangular freighters might be what remained, or what the Cardassians left behind, or what the Bajoran resistance captured from the Cardassians.
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, but the Bajoran economy would almost certainly have been wrecked after sixty or so years of Occupation, so the fact that the Militia didn't have warp-capable ships in its fleet immediately afterwords doesn't tell us any more than the fact that Germany no longer had the Bismark after World War II.
But the militia did have warpships in its possession: in the very same episode, DS9 was assaulted by two or three ships of the same design that had allowed Tahna Los to evade Cardassian pursuit in "Past Prologue", and would be seen in interstellar flight again in e.g. "Rules of Engagement".
It is of course possible that the warp drives of the assault ships, as well as those of the winged interceptors, were out of order at the time. Similarly, the group calling themselves the Bajora had in "Ensign Ro" operated a ship incapable of warp, even though the same design was seen to be interstellar-capable in many other episodes, including ones where Bajorans operated it ("A Man Alone" for starters).
I'd think that it would be a priority for the militia, sooner rather than later, to get the warp drives of all these ships working - if not for interstellar missions, then at least for quicker insystem interception. But it's possible that many of the interceptors still lacked working warp drives at the time of "Shadows and Symbols", as there was no talk of direct military aid to Bajor, and no sign of the planet suddenly getting richer or anything. And even a few ships with hobbled warp drives would justify Kira's exacerbated designation of the formation as an "impulse fleet".
Timo Saloniemi
It is of course possible that the warp drives of the assault ships, as well as those of the winged interceptors, were out of order at the time. Similarly, the group calling themselves the Bajora had in "Ensign Ro" operated a ship incapable of warp, even though the same design was seen to be interstellar-capable in many other episodes, including ones where Bajorans operated it ("A Man Alone" for starters).
I'd think that it would be a priority for the militia, sooner rather than later, to get the warp drives of all these ships working - if not for interstellar missions, then at least for quicker insystem interception. But it's possible that many of the interceptors still lacked working warp drives at the time of "Shadows and Symbols", as there was no talk of direct military aid to Bajor, and no sign of the planet suddenly getting richer or anything. And even a few ships with hobbled warp drives would justify Kira's exacerbated designation of the formation as an "impulse fleet".
Timo Saloniemi
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