Spoilers No Time to Die - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Commander Richard, Sep 28, 2021.

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Rate the movie...

  1. 10 - Excellent

    4.7%
  2. 9

    27.9%
  3. 8

    20.9%
  4. 7

    16.3%
  5. 6

    11.6%
  6. 5

    4.7%
  7. 4

    2.3%
  8. 3

    2.3%
  9. 2

    7.0%
  10. 1 - Terrible

    2.3%
  1. Commander Richard

    Commander Richard Licenced to Post Premium Member

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  2. Serial thread killer

    Serial thread killer Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Can't believe they
    killed Bond and Felix.
     
  3. Samurai8472

    Samurai8472 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    We'll see if he can regenerate ;)
     
  4. KennyB

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    On the train headed home and still trying to process it all. I think it may be they best of the Craig films. But, yeah. Wow.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    So I can only assume that...

    "JAMES BOND WILL RETURN" isn't in the credits this time?

    Is this the end? I mean, of course Daniel Craig wasn't going to stick around forever, but I wasn't aware of any plans to permanently end the Bond franchise once and for all. :(

    And even if Craig's Bond is dead...every new 007 is a reboot anyway, so this doesn't preclude making more Bond films with a new actor, I would hope?
     
  6. KennyB

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    It is not in the credits.......while I enjoyed almost everything about this.......I am left confused.
     
  7. KennyB

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    I will say the theater I went to in Germany on a week night was PACKED.......no open seats that I saw and I never saw it that packed even PRE-COVID.
     
  8. thribs

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    It was okay. It was overly long and the villain didn’t quite connect to me. I can see why people thought he was Dr No though. They tried to be emotional at the end but it doesn’t work when we know he’s coming back. Rang hollow for me.
    The McGuffin was also not very original. I’d swear I’ve seen that DNA weapon somewhere else.
    It was nice seeing Hugh Dennis. Never expected him in a Bond movie
     
  9. thribs

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    Yeah. We all know he’s coming back so it doesn’t really add anything emotional to it
     
  10. Serial thread killer

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    They said they are going to look for a new Bond next year. James bond is most likely a code name given to all male 007s or it will just be a reboot.
     
  11. thribs

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    It’ll just be another Bond movie. This serialised approach is something they did with Craig
     
  12. KennyB

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    I am curious where they go from here........there's only 4 options I can see. Girl Bond/Black Bond/White Bond/ then the dark horse...total reboot with young Bond period appropriate to when the novels were written 50s & 60s with a very YOUNG actor that will last a while. I am not keen on any of them at the moment and kinda still stunned about what I watched last night.
     
  13. arch101

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    It was always implied from Connery through to Brosnan that all those Bonds existed in the same continuity. Craig existed in his own universe. I'm assuming that will be the case for all future Bonds as well.
     
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  14. DigificWriter

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    This notion is bunk and has already been proven to be so.

    Bond 26 can't be anything other than a reboot, which I have mixed feelings on because of the fact that it took 20 films and over 40 years for the producers to reboot the property the first time and yet only 5 films and @5 years for them to reboot it a second time.
     
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  15. Saul

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    I almost cried my eyes out at the end and almost cried my eyes out again when "We have all the time in the World" music kicked in at the very end.

    Jesus, what a movie. My one critic is that it still is very much a Bond movie so it keeps to a certain formula that I didn't feel all that necessary. It's like Marvel movies, they have to do a big story, big baddie, big action.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Lashana Lynch coming back again as 007.

    It 100% is in the credits at the very end. Did leave some of the audience confused at the end thinking that this meant Craig's Bond.

    In regards to that did anyone else think that they were setting up...
    Bond to survive? They did the whole Blood tracking thing during the mission and I thought that the Director was going to try pull the wool over the audience eyes and have Bond survive and we would realize this when we see the Bond symbol blood tracker thing show up on a computer screen. But they didn't do that. They left no uncertainty to it and I'm glad because that had such an emotional weight to it.
     
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  16. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Then why isn't 007 a hundred years old by now? ;)

    (pre-Craig, anyway)

    And no, I don't buy the "code name" argument either.
     
  17. Captaindemotion

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    Wow.
    So I guess that leaves no doubt as to whether or not Bond 26 will be a hard or soft reboot. Unless they go down the line of “james bond is a code name” - which would be at odds with the fact that the new 007 was not called James Bond - then it seems unlikely that Fiennes, Wishaw etc roll be back or that they can pretend that Aidan Turner/Richard Madden/Henry Cavill/Dark Horse is the same guy we’ve watched for the last 5 films. The James Bond who we first saw in Casino Royale is unquestionably gone. M or Q will not see him in a cafe in Rome, sharing a table with Madeline. Bar some post credits scene, which I didn’t hang around for (but I very much doubt).

    It’s going to be interesting to see where they go next and I share @DigificWriter’s mixed views about them rebooting Bond for the second time on 15 hears, after an initial 40 years or so of lost continuity.

    Other than that ending, how does it stack up? Well, it’s a little overlong but it didn’t feel like almost 3 hours. And my bladder held out, yay, go me. Craig was great as was the supporting cast, as were the action scenes. Malek was a little dull compared to eg Waltz, Mikkelsen or Bardem but better than Amalric in QoS. It probably felt closer to Skyfall and CR with its grittier, almost low-key action scenes, rather than the more outlandish stuff from Spectre.

    I probably need to see this again to reflect on it, but I do think it’s one fans should see in the cinema, assuming that your health permits. My wife and I brought our kids (who basically just wanted a night out!), they’d never seen a whole Bond film before, and they enjoyed it, weren’t bored. Unfortunately we saw it on the same day that our local government loosened restrictions - the last few films we saw, there was spacing in the cinema but we were crammed in together tonight beside complete strangers. It was good but I’m not sure it was good enough for us to catch covid over!
     
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  18. MakeshiftPython

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    Is anyone genuinely surprised that Craig’s run will not carry over to another actor? He started his tenure with an origin film with CR, so it seems natural that he gets a definitive conclusion. I certainly never expected Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw to keep playing M and Q until they literally drop dead. Since we’ll likely never see them again it at least presents even more opportunities, like maybe bringing back the original Fleming M and Boothroyd with new actors. Heck maybe bring on Bond’s secretary from the move,s and have her be the flirty one. Or do something completely original altogether.

    I honestly love that because that not only shakes up the formula, but from here on out there’s no future James Bond that you can be sure will make it out alive. Imagine if they introduce a new Bond, but then he died in the second. That’s how much of a game changer this is on the wider scope. There can actually be real tension on whether or not Bond may even survive. It’s just a matter of hopefully pulling it off in a way that works rather than feels cheap. They may hold off on killing another Bond for a long time but now Blofeld’s cat is out of the bag and I’m even more curious about the future of Bond.

    One fun way to introduce a new Bond is use the opening of the original The Man With the Golden Gun novel where Bond, having been presumed dead, shows up one day at MI6 and is brainwashed by the Russians to assassinate M. That would be fun for Fleming purists and be a total shock to general audiences not expecting that.
     
  19. thribs

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    I don’t get this “reboot” thing. Bond 26 will just be another Bond movie. It’s not complicated to figure out.
     
  20. KennyB

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    No matter how many times you post that........we will still have to wait and see what they do. I mean they could just move along like nothing happened, but I think they will do something else this time. Again, we will have to wait and see.
     
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