I'm sure nobody is seriously proposing they will. They're just kidding around.
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I'm sure nobody is seriously proposing they will. They're just kidding around.
I don't know. I will be sorely disappointed if Detective Chimp does not make an appearance.
I'd count it since them since several of them connect back to the Prime Novelverse.
It depends upon whether one counts all mediums and all works, whether narrative or non-narrative.
I am WAY behind Peter David (45 novels) and Michael Jan Friedman (36 novels), and likely will never approach their aggregate output (especially if we add in short fiction and comics). They are the giants who walk among us; I doubt Trek shall see their like again.
If we're counting everything, then I'm probably in fourth place behind Dayton Ward (who, in addition to prose fiction, pens non-narrative Star Trek tie-in books, such as the Travel Guides and Kirk Fu, etc.) and the very prolific writers who pen the comic books (though that's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison; I can draft a comic-book script in a matter of days; it takes me months to write a novel. I'm not sure how to weight comics vs. novels for fairer comparison.)
If we count only full-length novels (and treat collaborative works as a full credit, regardless of the number of partners) and exclude short fiction, I think I'm in third place (Oblivion's Gate will be my 29th Star Trek novel, and Moments Asunder will be Dayton's 23rd).
If we include novellas, Dayton adds 14 Star Trek credits to his total, while I add 7, putting him ahead, 37 to 36.
If you add short stories, his lead widens: I add only 3 credits, while he adds 9: score now, 46 to 39.
If I get credit for co-writing two episodes of Star Trek: DS9, it's 46 to 41.
If you count non-narrative books, I gain 1, while he adds 3: 49 to 42.
Add in comic-books, he adds 2 issues, while I add 4: 51 to 46.
So, unless we count ONLY full-length novels, I am in fourth place behind Dayton. I can say I am the third-most-prolific author of Star Trek novels, but that's a mighty specific niche....
Kidding around?
If anything this is their Flashpoint. A big story that used to end one timeline to bring forth a new, inferior one.
Detective Chimp, of course, being a derogatory nickname for Captain Calhoun's new Xindi-Primate Security Chief.
FWIW, I've never even read "Crisis on Infinite Earths." I couldn't have copied its story beats even if I wanted to, because I have no idea what they are.
You know he will now don't you ?
It was a 12 issue comic maxi series in the mid 80’s set in the DC universe.
My "they" refers to the unique, individual "story beats" that constitute the structure of the narrative. I was vaguely aware that it was a multi-issue crossover comic-book event.
If you wanted story beats of Crisis, the best person to ask would be Bob Greenberger, who edited it for DC back in the day.
My dime version would be -- ancient evil from dawn of time out to destroy the universe, heroes unite to fight evil, heroes fall in fight, heroes fail in fight, more heroes come in to fight, universe gets rebooted, heroes make one final stand, ancient evil defeated. Vastly oversimplified.
I think the thread is joking more about the tropes of that kind of story, where there's usually a character who remembers the universe that came before (like Psycho Pirate or Deadman) and a survivor of a doomed timeline who now no longer has a past (like Superboy [who dies soon after], Power Girl, and the ghost of Supergirl). Oh, and some wacky character who ends up being more important than anyone suspected. (In Crisis, I seem to recall that Captain Carrot got used a fair bit.)
My dime version would be -- ancient evil from dawn of time out to destroy the universe, heroes unite to fight evil, heroes fall in fight, heroes fail in fight, more heroes come in to fight, universe gets rebooted, heroes make one final stand, ancient evil defeated. Vastly oversimplified.
I think the thread is joking more about the tropes of that kind of story, where there's usually a character who remembers the universe that came before (like Psycho Pirate or Deadman) and a survivor of a doomed timeline who now no longer has a past (like Superboy [who dies soon after], Power Girl, and the ghost of Supergirl). Oh, and some wacky character who ends up being more important than anyone suspected. (In Crisis, I seem to recall that Captain Carrot got used a fair bit.)
No, there really is a hollow moon which plays a part in the DS9 novels.
Not to be mistaken for the planet that turned out to be a giant egg from New Frontier.
Which should itself not be confused with the Doctor Who episode which revealed Earth's moon was in fact a giant egg.
It depends upon whether one counts all mediums and all works, whether narrative or non-narrative.
I am WAY behind Peter David (45 novels) and Michael Jan Friedman (36 novels), and likely will never approach their aggregate output (especially if we add in short fiction and comics). They are the giants who walk among us; I doubt Trek shall see their like again.
If we're counting everything, then I'm probably in fourth place behind Dayton Ward (who, in addition to prose fiction, pens non-narrative Star Trek tie-in books, such as the Travel Guides and Kirk Fu, etc.) and the very prolific writers who pen the comic books (though that's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison; I can draft a comic-book script in a matter of days; it takes me months to write a novel. I'm not sure how to weight comics vs. novels for fairer comparison.)
If we count only full-length novels (and treat collaborative works as a full credit, regardless of the number of partners) and exclude short fiction, I think I'm in third place (Oblivion's Gate will be my 29th Star Trek novel, and Moments Asunder will be Dayton's 23rd).
If we include novellas, Dayton adds 14 Star Trek credits to his total, while I add 7, putting him ahead, 37 to 36.
If you add short stories, his lead widens: I add only 3 credits, while he adds 9: score now, 46 to 39.
If I get credit for co-writing two episodes of Star Trek: DS9, it's 46 to 41.
If you count non-narrative books, I gain 1, while he adds 3: 49 to 42.
Add in comic-books, he adds 2 issues, while I add 4: 51 to 46.
So, unless we count ONLY full-length novels, I am in fourth place behind Dayton. I can say I am the third-most-prolific author of Star Trek novels, but that's a mighty specific niche....
I absolutely love how well you’ve analyzed this. Thanks David!
I am familiar with the original Crisis. I suppose this will be is a timeline reset, versus merging universes and rebooting.
Where was it established that Deadman remembered the Pre-Crisis DC Universe? When he met
the ghost of Supergirl
I reread 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths a year or so back for a podcast when the CW was doing its version of Crisis on television, and as far as I can remember, Captain Carrot didn't appear in it at all, not even as a cameo. While Captain Carrot's world had previously been established as yet another parallel Earth in the DC Multiverse (Earth-C), DC intentionally kept it clear of Crisis so that they could do future Captain Carrot stories. In fact, artist & writer John Byrne periodically tells a story about how when DC Executive Editor Dick Giordano first pitched the story of Crisis to him, he said, "We're going to be getting rid of all the parallel Earths -- Except the one with Captain Carrot, of course!"
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55536&mobile=FULL
So you may be thinking of Captain Carrot and the Final Ark, which tied in with 2009's Final Crisis storyline. (@Greg Cox, was that one that you novelized?)
Yep. I novelized a couple of DC Crises, actually: Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, plus "52" and "Countdown to Final Crisis."
Can't remember if I included Captain Carrot or not.
Thanks. I knew you'd done a few of them, but honestly all of those more recent Crises tend to blur together in my head now. (And my sympathies for you trying to make sense out of Final Crisis. I'd been reading DC for 30 years by that point, and I was pretty much lost. I gave up on the comic series around issue 3 or 4. Grant Morrison is a talented writer, but his stories can get incomprehensible at times.)Yep. I novelized a couple of DC Crises, actually: Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, plus "52" and "Countdown to Final Crisis."
Can't remember if I included Captain Carrot or not.
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