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No series 12 till 2020?

Intentionally exaggerating my point doesn't help you make my point. Public entities should be transparent. Shoot, in the U.S., many (most?) government salaries are known things.

My point: they are transparent. But not to your satisfaction. How transparent would be enough to satisfy you?

Of course, my point was only that it's in the BBC's own interest to get their house in order. Regular production of shows like DW will only help them fund other programs that wouldn't otherwise get funding. Win-win. I stand by that assessment.

Because you want Doctor Who more regularly means the BBC’s house isn’t in order?
 
When I was a kid, my PBS station started with Pertwee, and ended with Colin Baker, so I never got to see McCoy in his original run, and now I'm afraid to because I'm not sure how well I'll adapt to how the series has aged.
The McCoy run will be streaming on Twitch beginning on the 24th.
 
My point: they are transparent. But not to your satisfaction. How transparent would be enough to satisfy you?
I'm not a UK citizen. It just appears to me that for a public organization, they could increase their transparency. It's not something that I'm going study in depth just so I can give you a precise answer. It's my opinion.
Because you want Doctor Who more regularly means the BBC’s house isn’t in order?

Nice red herring there. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what I actually stated quite clearly. Regularly producing a high revenue show like DW would help the BBC produce other programs that it would not otherwise be able to afford to produce. It's a win-win situation.
 
I'm not a UK citizen. It just appears to me that for a public organization, they could increase their transparency. It's not something that I'm going study in depth just so I can give you a precise answer. It's my opinion.

I understand. I'm also not a UK citizen. However, I'm suggesting, they ARE being as transparent as they can. Sometimes things are sensitive. Something things are inside baseball. Sometimes things are political. Does the public need to know all of that? Does the public need to know how every decision is made?


Nice red herring there. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what I actually stated quite clearly. Regularly producing a high revenue show like DW would help the BBC produce other programs that it would not otherwise be able to afford to produce. It's a win-win situation.

It's literally not a red herring. This isn't a mystery. Are you thinking Straw man?

BUT, you actually did say the BBC "needs to get their house in order" so, it's a legitimate question. Do you think because they aren't producing Doctor Who as regularly as you like you think their house isn't in order?

AND, maybe they are producing it as regularly as they can, to the quality they want. The BBC isn't the same sort of company as NBC or Netflix or HBO. The business model is different, how production works is different.

Why can't things just be different? Why is it a problem because it's just different?
 
I had the same frustrations at my college, but it wasn't just the theater department but the whole arts department in general I was frustrated for (also the physics department but they needed it less than the arts). Some years after I graduated, the arts department (and physics!) got their much deserved funding for new buildings (the art department was scattered all over campus with no centralized location), but only after our crappy Division III football team got a bigger field with actual lights (while I was there, they had to play the night games at the local high school field :lol:).

So yeah, I'm also reminded of that kind of situation.

And, at least for now, they don't even have the football team.
 
I understand. I'm also not a UK citizen. However, I'm suggesting, they ARE being as transparent as they can. Sometimes things are sensitive. Something things are inside baseball. Sometimes things are political. Does the public need to know all of that? Does the public need to know how every decision is made?




It's literally not a red herring. This isn't a mystery. Are you thinking Straw man?

BUT, you actually did say the BBC "needs to get their house in order" so, it's a legitimate question. Do you think because they aren't producing Doctor Who as regularly as you like you think their house isn't in order?

AND, maybe they are producing it as regularly as they can, to the quality they want. The BBC isn't the same sort of company as NBC or Netflix or HBO. The business model is different, how production works is different.

Why can't things just be different? Why is it a problem because it's just different?

Wait, you don't live in the UK or pay for the TV licence, well know i can see why you think the BBC is they way you think it is, i might think that way too if i were not down 154 quid every year and rising, to watch 11 episodes of Dr Who sporadically over 2 years. Lol
 
I understand. I'm also not a UK citizen. However, I'm suggesting, they ARE being as transparent as they can. Sometimes things are sensitive. Something things are inside baseball. Sometimes things are political. Does the public need to know all of that? Does the public need to know how every decision is made?
It's very likely based on your comments that we simply have different expectations of transparency. I've never suggested that the public needs to know how every decision is made. However, just based on what I've heard, if I was a UK citizen, I'd probably want a greater degree of transparency. YMMV.
BUT, you actually did say the BBC "needs to get their house in order" so, it's a legitimate question. Do you think because they aren't producing Doctor Who as regularly as you like you think their house isn't in order?
What I actually said that re: the win-win situation of regularly producing DW is "The BBC would be smart to learn from this!" I was referring to it from a business perspective, not a viewer perspective.

Yes, I absolutely stand by that. I think that they'd benefit financially if the were to do so. It sounds like (but I'm not sure) that infighting makes that difficult. They could use those additional earnings to produce other things for other audiences.

But, I'm also not one who is inflamed by the somewhat longer wait. I think it's annoying but not entirely unreasonable.
 
Intentionally exaggerating my point doesn't help you make my point. Public entities should be transparent. Shoot, in the U.S., many (most?) government salaries are known things.

Of course, my point was only that it's in the BBC's own interest to get their house in order. Regular production of shows like DW will only help them fund other programs that wouldn't otherwise get funding. Win-win. I stand by that assessment.

They will get less transparent. They have hived off BBC studios.
 
Wait, you don't live in the UK or pay for the TV licence, well know i can see why you think the BBC is they way you think it is, i might think that way too if i were not down 154 quid every year and rising, to watch 11 episodes of Dr Who sporadically over 2 years. Lol

Lol. If Doctor Who was the only thing of interest that BBC produced I might take that seriously.

And if literally the only thing you watched on the BBC was Doctor Who, 14 quid per episode—for a fan—doesn’t sound so bad.

But, you watch more than that on the BBC.
 
Lol. If Doctor Who was the only thing of interest that BBC produced I might take that seriously.

And if literally the only thing you watched on the BBC was Doctor Who, 14 quid per episode—for a fan—doesn’t sound so bad.

But, you watch more than that on the BBC.

I hate to break this to you but i watch two things on the BBC, Who and Question time, i don't even watch the news on the BBC, why would i when i can get less biased news reporting elsewhere, but that is the BBC output for me for £154 a year, two programmes, i don't watch soaps, cooking or selling/buying junk, that is the BBC majority daily output, the same guff as is produced by the comercial channels, so not what i would call value for money in any sense of the word, but by all means if you think £14 is a bargin then feel free to send me you £14 for each episode and i will pass it onto the BBC to show your support. ;)
 
I hate to break this to you but i watch two things on the BBC, Who and Question time, i don't even watch the news on the BBC, why would i when i can get less biased news reporting elsewhere, but that is the BBC output for me for £154 a year, two programmes, i don't watch soaps, cooking or selling/buying junk, that is the BBC majority daily output, the same guff as is produced by the comercial channels, so not what i would call value for money in any sense of the word, but by all means if you think £14 is a bargin then feel free to send me you £14 for each episode and i will pass it onto the BBC to show your support. ;)

Good news! Those two shows in 2018 collectively were 49 episodes! That's 3.14 pounds PER episode. FANTASTIC!
Sounds like you're getting your money's worth!
 
Good news! Those two shows in 2018 collectively were 49 episodes! That's 3.14 pounds PER episode. FANTASTIC!
Sounds like you're getting your money's worth!

Getting your moneys worth, compared to what?, how many tv service do you pay for that gives you 48 episodes a year for £154, seeing as you think that is fantastic.
 
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Value for money, compared to what?

Compared to NOT watching those shows?

I assume you enjoy watching Doctor Who, you enjoy watching Question Time, surely your enjoyment is of some value to you.

Is it worth 3 pounds an episode? That's the same price as a 9 piece Chicken McNuggets from McDonalds... Or, if you are more healthy minded, for the price of Grilled Chicken Salad at McDonald's you get an episode of Doctor Who OR Question Time.

Looking at Starbucks prices in the UK, you can get a tall Vanilla Spice Latte for the price of a Question Time episode.
Though, it looks like you would have to get two (2) cups of coffee for an episode of Doctor Who.

Still sounds like a pretty good deal. It'd be even better if you checked out other things on all of the BBC channels, but, so it goes...
 
I hate to break this to you but i watch two things on the BBC, Who and Question time, i don't even watch the news on the BBC, why would i when i can get less biased news reporting elsewhere, but that is the BBC output for me for £154 a year, two programmes, i don't watch soaps, cooking or selling/buying junk, that is the BBC majority daily output, the same guff as is produced by the comercial channels, so not what i would call value for money in any sense of the word, but by all means if you think £14 is a bargin then feel free to send me you £14 for each episode and i will pass it onto the BBC to show your support. ;)

And if you paid £20 a month gym membership, and went twice a year, is the fact you are hopelessly out of shape the gym's fault, or yours?
 
Compared to NOT watching those shows?

I assume you enjoy watching Doctor Who, you enjoy watching Question Time, surely your enjoyment is of some value to you.

Is it worth 3 pounds an episode? That's the same price as a 9 piece Chicken McNuggets from McDonalds... Or, if you are more healthy minded, for the price of Grilled Chicken Salad at McDonald's you get an episode of Doctor Who OR Question Time.

Looking at Starbucks prices in the UK, you can get a tall Vanilla Spice Latte for the price of a Question Time episode.
Though, it looks like you would have to get two (2) cups of coffee for an episode of Doctor Who.

Still sounds like a pretty good deal. It'd be even better if you checked out other things on all of the BBC channels, but, so it goes...

Again what tv service are you paying for right now that costs more than £154 a year and gives you less than 48 episodes, if by your view 48 episodes for £154 is fantastic?

And what's with the weird comparisons to food and drink, would a more apt comparison not be with another tv services like Netflix or Prime when comparing the BBC output and value for money?
 
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Again what tv service are you paying for right now that costs more than £154 a year and gives you less than 48 episodes, if by your view 48 episodes for £154 is fantastic?

They are giving you more than 48 episodes a year, you aren't interested in the rest. I'm interested in a great deal of BBC content, so.... I'm not sure how I can answer your question. I'm currently, after conversion, paying about 121 pounds for Netflix a year...

But, again, I'll ask: how much do you value your entertainment time? Is an episode of Question Time worth 9 chicken mcnuggets? A salad? Two cup of coffee? Do you think Question Time and Doctor Who should cost you LESS than 9 Chicken McNuggets?

Or do you think it should be free?
 
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