The term is based on the shape of the collar not the form on the collar. The uniforms are a turtleneck with a black collar.There is both a V present in your photos and a V present on the front neck sector of Kirk's sweater.
No plastic kneecap or spacesuit?
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I thought a turtleneck had to fold over once.
Wouldn't "tunic" be a more appropriate term?
Wouldn't "tunic" be a more appropriate term?
It just has to cover part of the neck.
Then allow me to be the first to quote Johnny Carson in this thread. "I did not know that." I thought a mock turtleneck was the partial and a turtleneck was the full deal with rollover.
Back to the subject of the OP, if we assume that the black undershirt as seen worn by McCoy in The Man Trap (scene where McCoy naps after being drugged(?) by "Nancy") is standard issue Starfleet (something the Abrams films seem to have run with), then the OP is not entirely wrong, and the colored portion of the uniform is in fact an extremely shallow V-neck. However, I think the costume itself normally features the colored tunic with a black collar attached, which would then not be a V neck since the black collar is not V'd.
...how did we get on this subject again?
Back to the subject of the OP, if we assume that the black undershirt as seen worn by McCoy in The Man Trap (scene where McCoy naps after being drugged(?) by "Nancy") is standard issue Starfleet (something the Abrams films seem to have run with), then the OP is not entirely wrong, and the colored portion of the uniform is in fact an extremely shallow V-neck. However, I think the costume itself normally features the colored tunic with a black collar attached, which would then not be a V neck since the black collar is not V'd.
...how did we get on this subject again?
HansVerhaaden
Lieutenant
Geoff, let us be reasonable with this thing.
Is there or is there not a V on the neck region of Kirk's sweater?
We're nerds or is that geeks?
We see the shirt ripped ( especially on Kirk) and there's no black undershirt. I blame spacial anomalies.
The neck of the shirt is not in the shape of a V. That's the determining factor. It the black part was shaped like a U or a T it would still be a turtleneck.
HansVerhaaden
Lieutenant
Sweater.
Not in America.
HansVerhaaden
Lieutenant
Variations in costuming would have been nice for landing parties, boarding parties, etc., but the original series didn't have a lot of money available to do much of that. Kneepads, elbow pads, gloves, helmets, jackets, would all have to come out of the money budgeted for costumes, and cleaned every night.
I see a V neck sweater - a V shape around the top of the sweater. You do not. We will agree to disagree!
I agree that you don't know of what you type re necklines.
Spock and Tormolen wear the undershirt in "The Naked Time", too, but I thought when Spock put his regular uniform shirt on over top of it, it had the black collar as per usual. I don't think the undershirt ever formed the black part of the collar in original TOS. Unfortunately, the Trekcore screencaps of this scene are inconclusive, and I don't really feel like digging the DVD out right now to check.
(And to the OP... kneepads would have just looked silly.)
Can we allow Hans some leeway here? He's probably in a country where the terminology is a little different (as has already been pointed out). I should have thought of that before I started the trouble.
Regarding knee caps, our soldiers do have tactical kneepads as part of the combat uniform. It wasn't something you saw on '60s TV, especially on Star Trek's budget, but with benefit of hindsight,the landing parties to rough outdoor settings could have benefited from them.
Regarding knee caps, our soldiers do have tactical kneepads as part of the combat uniform. It wasn't something you saw on '60s TV, especially on Star Trek's budget, but with benefit of hindsight,the landing parties to rough outdoor settings could have benefited from them.
A full exploration of the TOS black undershirt question, with photos, is here:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=242527
Briefly: the black T-shirts seen in "The Naked Time" were just for show. They were not really part of the costume. Their short sleeves would have made a visible line under the long sleeve of the uniform tunic.
The actors did wear sleeveless black undershirts at least some of the time, and those were either for warmth or to avoid showing skin at the waistline.
Lazarus could certainly have benefited from both...he was the kid who kept falling off his bike....
A V-neck is defined as the open part of the collar being a V shape. As such the TOS tunics are not V-necks because the open part of the collar is round.
I disagree.
There is a clear V shape around his neck.
However, we must not get aggravated over this triviality. I do not want to cause a kerfuffle over such minor things.
It would have been more realistic to have shown different types of attire, but obviously they couldn't afford to do that regularly. That said later on we saw crew wearing overalls and radiation type suits as well as space suits in the third season.
They did a bit better in the films with field jackets and gear for security. But TNG went back to how it was done in TOS.
