I'm liking this! Superheroes are rich genre to mine, especially non TM characters. Just because Heroes crashed and burned doesn't mean we need to stop...
No Ordinary Family(ABC) clip
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Nope...except for the weak 80s covers (should have used the originals or used modern stuff), I thought it was great!
Re: No Ordinary Family (ABC) promo
I got the feeling of a family dynamic like "Friday Night Lights" TV series.
The pilot looked great though but it will probably be a 2-hour pilot and be great. A series looks like it will have lots of high school scenes for the under 18 crowd.
I doubt we'll see a TV14 rating on this ABC show...
I sure hope No Ordinary Family doesn't have a mythology and conspiracy story at all.
that was the first thing I thought of, not Heroes. Didn't Michael Chiklis already play a character very similar?
I got the feeling of a family dynamic like "Friday Night Lights" TV series.
The pilot looked great though but it will probably be a 2-hour pilot and be great. A series looks like it will have lots of high school scenes for the under 18 crowd.
I doubt we'll see a TV14 rating on this ABC show...
I sure hope No Ordinary Family doesn't have a mythology and conspiracy story at all.
That neatly summarizes my skepticism about this show.
Heroes was partially a victim of its' own popularity, I think the writers (or Kring) were too obsessed with maintaining the high opinion that the mainstream had of the show.
If it was a show that was still regarded as good TV without being too all-over-the-media like Breaking Bad or True Blood then maybe it would've turned out better.
And anyways, 7th Heaven lasted quite long on TV so such a comparison isn't all that bad...
If it was a show that was still regarded as good TV without being too all-over-the-media like Breaking Bad or True Blood then maybe it would've turned out better.
And anyways, 7th Heaven lasted quite long on TV so such a comparison isn't all that bad...
Being anything like Breaking Bad or True Blood was not Heroes' problem. Being horribly written was the problem. Breaking Bad is very well written and I'll take people's word for it that the same is true of True Blood.
Ya shoulda quit the comparisons when you were ahead.
Not that the movie was any better, but I certainly hope NOF (might as well start calling it that now) is better than the Stargate franchise has been.But none of those comparisons prove a thing. M*A*S*H and The Odd Couple had premises that were more encouraging than NOF, but the big difference is the incredibly good casting on those shows. Can't vouch for Buffy since it's never interested me enough to bother with it.
For the ten zillionth time, there is no correlation between quality and popularity. Stargate's survival is proof enough of that.
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"Darla" was a POOR casting choice. She gives off no "mother" vibe, or "I care for my children" vibe, just a "Darla" vibe.
The daughter was so poorly written and cliched, she RUINED every scene she was in -- and there's EPIC FAIL in the snappy dialogue they tried to impart in her.
If the rest of show lacks the kind of attention, and features the same kind of poor writing, here's another cancellation in-the-works.
Killing off the daughter and making the mother a villain, would make for some interesting dramatics, though.
The daughter was so poorly written and cliched, she RUINED every scene she was in -- and there's EPIC FAIL in the snappy dialogue they tried to impart in her.
If the rest of show lacks the kind of attention, and features the same kind of poor writing, here's another cancellation in-the-works.
Killing off the daughter and making the mother a villain, would make for some interesting dramatics, though.
Julie Benz is a good actress and can show a soft side. I'm sure she'll have no problem with the maternal aspects of her role.
Why? It'll premiere the same, and have the same ratings, regardless of what we say here now. Might as well pass the time till then entertainingly.
Huh? I can't recall seeing Bryan Cranston in clips before the premiere but I'm sure he would have convinced us through sheer acting skill, which would have come through even in short snippets. Since I've never seen him in anything before, I would have had no preconceived notions about him.
And the daughter I think sucks is also new to me. My critique of her comes solely from the scenes in the clips. She does not look like a good casting choice.
Well, I've realized that judging a character by 1-2 minutes worth of a clip and then writing them off entirely is pretty arrogant when an episode is supposed to be longer than 1-2 minutes. I wouldn't have watched Breaking Bad if I had just watched clips of Walt at the car wash or teaching his idiot class 
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Cranston had to deal with the years of Malcolm in the Middle nearly typecasting him. I actually know that comedic actors are pretty good at dramatic stuff which is what attracted ME to the show.
.Cranston had to deal with the years of Malcolm in the Middle nearly typecasting him. I actually know that comedic actors are pretty good at dramatic stuff which is what attracted ME to the show.
Strictly speaking, success is always due to "quality," doing something well that appeals to an audience. The question is always, what is this show doing? True Blood is badly written in very many ways. Perhaps the most notable is the way the vampires-as-gays metaphor is both hamfistedly belabored but controverted. But True Blood does at least one thing very well indeed, which is sexy capers with pretty actors and actresses. The first step in criticism is actually seeing what the show is. The clip doesn't really show much more.
Well, I've realized that judging a character by 1-2 minutes worth of a clip and then writing them off entirely is pretty arrogant when an episode is supposed to be longer than 1-2 minutes. I wouldn't have watched Breaking Bad if I had just watched clips of Walt at the car wash or teaching his idiot class
I can't speak for you, but I've watched enough television to know when something is potentially good or potentially bad, just from previews. In fat, thus far I've only been wrong twice, so a 98% track record isn't bad...
Ya shoulda quit the comparisons when you were ahead.
Irrelevant. The fact that the movie was able to spin multiple TV shows and become a fairly strong franchise suggests that you can push a concept beyond a 2 hour movie.
Opinion =/= Fact.
Have you seen Julie Benz in "Dexter"? She's nothing if not maternal in that series.
I admit I think of her more as "Rita' from DEXTER than "Darla" these days.
So what? It's fun to be arrogant! Isn't that was teh internets are for?
And sadly, I've found that my prediction success rate goes way up the more negative I go. The cases where I've been wrong are almost always when I was naively cheerful about something, eg, wow, FlashForward and V look like they're gonna rock! I won't make that mistake again!
Ya shoulda quit the comparisons when you were ahead.
Irrelevant. The fact that the movie was able to spin multiple TV shows and become a fairly strong franchise suggests that you can push a concept beyond a 2 hour movie.
Irrelevant. One case does not indicate a trend. And you haven't addressed the fundamental issue of rampant suckage in both the movie and the TV series that it spawned, which invalidates this example.
That doesn't even make sense!
TV abounds in many examples of high-rated crap and we can all cite cases of excellent shows being cancelled for lack of viewers. That's not even worth discussing, it's so painfully obvious.Kudos for you! I've found that my negative predictions about a show based on previews are accurate but my positive opinions are often wrong. I guess the reason is, if there are problems evident even in a preview, they'll show up in the final product, but many shows (FlashForward and V being great examples) have problems that are more complex or subtle than a preview can convey.
The common sense default poistion is, there is no high rated crap. I dislike reality television, having got my fill with Cops and first run American Gladiator. But I've seen crap reality shows flop, while the ones with high ratings are doing reality shows with flair and distinction.
Stargate SG-1 did action comedy with similar flair and distinction. Someone who wants a serialized dark and gritty melodrama and/or has no sense of humor may complain it's crap. But taking seriously the idea that aliens built the Egyptian pyramids for landing pads really would be crap.
Disliking a genre is not the same thing as establishing that shows or novels in that genre are crap. Generally, a genre that doesn't appeal is therefore boring. But boredom is not an idea, it's an emotional reaction. Entering a critical discussion without an argument does leave one at rather a disadvantage.
Stargate SG-1 did action comedy with similar flair and distinction. Someone who wants a serialized dark and gritty melodrama and/or has no sense of humor may complain it's crap. But taking seriously the idea that aliens built the Egyptian pyramids for landing pads really would be crap.
Disliking a genre is not the same thing as establishing that shows or novels in that genre are crap. Generally, a genre that doesn't appeal is therefore boring. But boredom is not an idea, it's an emotional reaction. Entering a critical discussion without an argument does leave one at rather a disadvantage.
Oooohkay...
I can see we're operating on entirely divergent opinions of what constitutes crap. Nothing on TV that is high rated is bad. Gotcha.Someone who wants writing that goes beyond "blow shit up with C-4" might also complain it's crap.
Something that you abundantly prove with every post you make.
You destroyed your credibility (to the extent you have any) with your opening line.
I think this looks pretty fun, comparisons to The Incredibles, Heroes, and Fantastic Four aside. Michael Chiklis was one of the better elements from those lame FF movies, and Julie Benz is a terrific actress. I'd almost just watch the show just to see the dynamic between Chiklis and Romany Malco as his best friend (Malco was fantastic on Weeds).