Nimoys enthusiasm for the script
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I am not a negative person, I just get a little upset when they make an anouncement, and then a year later all we get is a comic-con panel, a tired looking poster, and nothing about the film except the reuse of TOS.
Pardon me for expecting something out of them. They've had JJ signed on for over a year now, and he is putting out a film in Jan 08 - way ahead of Trek - when Trek could have been much futrther along and coming out this christmas, not a year and a half away.
I think they have all lost their perspective and are not doing Trek justice with this half assed approach.
At this point, I am not going to loyally march down to the theater and drop some serious dough just because they slap a Star Trek name on the film. TOS was what made me a fan of Trek, and I think it is high time to let the legends remain legends. TOS is not the right vehicle to generate and keep a whole new generation of Trek fans.
Pardon me for expecting something out of them. They've had JJ signed on for over a year now, and he is putting out a film in Jan 08 - way ahead of Trek - when Trek could have been much futrther along and coming out this christmas, not a year and a half away.
I think they have all lost their perspective and are not doing Trek justice with this half assed approach.
At this point, I am not going to loyally march down to the theater and drop some serious dough just because they slap a Star Trek name on the film. TOS was what made me a fan of Trek, and I think it is high time to let the legends remain legends. TOS is not the right vehicle to generate and keep a whole new generation of Trek fans.
The concept is sound, but if you look at the two personalities involved the comparison is a long stretch. I'd be more inclined to agree if we were talking about Shatner - throughout their respective careers he and Lee have shared a number of traits that are not so conspicuous in Nimoy: in this instance, the relevant ones would be uncritical and excessive enthusiasm for that which they have personally conceived or stand to benefit directly from in either or both egoistic and financial terms.
Half assed like hell, this is actually the first Trek project in a while to clearly not be half assed.
What you wanted a full rundown of the movie and everything Abrams is thinking so you can have veto on it or something?
This will be the first Star Trek movie that is being done as a "movie" and not a franchise cut and paste fill in the blanks.
Its way to early in production to even go there.
Oh and as a TOS fan those characters are the meat and potatoes of Trek the perfect vehicle to relaunch and energize the "franchise".
I'll take Nimoy's opinion over most here on the board as to the state of this affair.
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I suspect the same thing. This whole "nimoy loves the script" thing seems waaaaay overblown.
First off, they probably told the guy to muster up some enthusiasm. This wasn't a spur of the moment event, or a mention at an interview about something else. This was a press conference about Star Trek XI -- what were you expecting him to say? "Yeah, about that stupid Trek XI -- don't bother, it's crap."
And enthusiasm ... it has dawned on you that the man is a professional actor and is therefore capable of expressing emotions that he may not actually feel at the moment? Seriously, most actors get their start by showing rapturous glee over dishawashing detergent and corn flakes.
I don't know what the man was thinking when he said he liked the script. Hopefully he really does like the script. But I'm not going to take it at face value yet because the whole event was a staged PR campaign. If it'd been in the course of an interview about something else, or if he'd just turned out at comic-con, I'd give it more weight.
I just don't know, and I don't know whether he'd play along if he didn't like the script just for the money/fame.
I will reiterate my disgust at Paramount's treatment of Trek at their comic-con panel.
9 minutes out of 2 hours was plainly an insult to the fans.
After a year of announcements on the startrek.com site, that is all they could come up with. Casting Zachary Quinto is not something that took an entire year.
In the meanwhile JJ has had time to make "Cloverfield", did they think we wouldn't notice that Trek isn't JJs priority.
I myself have nothing against Spock showing up in a new Trek film. Nimoy's involvement I think is a plus. I do think that this film is going to be Spock-centric.
9 minutes out of 2 hours was plainly an insult to the fans.
After a year of announcements on the startrek.com site, that is all they could come up with. Casting Zachary Quinto is not something that took an entire year.
In the meanwhile JJ has had time to make "Cloverfield", did they think we wouldn't notice that Trek isn't JJs priority.
I myself have nothing against Spock showing up in a new Trek film. Nimoy's involvement I think is a plus. I do think that this film is going to be Spock-centric.
Uh, not even close.
OMG - the sacrilige - JJ Abrams is doing more than one project at once, the horor. You do realize that principal shooting on a film like this takes maybe 6 weeks, right? the rest is post poduction, etc. And JJ ABrhams is directing this (it WAS up in the air as to whether he was going to actually direct it himself, or let someone else do it - but he's a Star Trek fan, and wanted to take the helm.
And, as someone said, what did you expect? Paramount to be handing out copies of the shooting script or something? If anything, these days I wonder how ANY film is a success because with the way the internet works these days, EVERY aspect of a film is leaked in some way before teh thing ever hits the screens.
Back in the 'old days' (ie the ST:TMP film series era); I used to PURPOSELY AVOID any leaks because this was actual NEW Star Trek and I wanted to be surprised and be able to see a new filmed Star Trek story and be surprised (hell at that point I'd seen every Star Trek episode 20+ times).
In fact it's because of eople like you that th Star Trek film franchise probably became what it did. The producers and writers couldn't just worry about coming up with a compelling story and film; the fan focus groups SHOWED what the 'fans' needed to be in a Star Trek film; so the producers were obliged to add in EVERYTHING the fan focus groups showed.
I'd be happy if they were able to keep the WHOLE PROJECT under a tight lid; and let the the theatre preview and comercial advertising sell you on whether you want to go and see the film or not. NOT the leaked first draft of a script taht has been torn to pieces by internet nerds who have nothing better to do then obsess over the fact that the ONE element (and it's different for each such nerd) that MAKES Star Trek (in their opinion) in missing, thus teh production team are talentless hacks, just in it for the money and out to rape GR's vision. Hell, some people already think the film is sacrilige because there isn't a part for William Shatner.
See th movie or don't. in the long run, your $10.00 won't make much of a difference.
Paramount gave Trek as much time as Indy 4 or Iron Man...and it is opening much later than those and has nothing even shot yet! Plus they had all the producers there for Trek and Iron Man had just Favreu and the Indy 4 people didnt appear live but from the set (which is understandable).
Paramount owe you nothing. They dont release the film for 17 months and you seem to think that they should send you a copy of the script for approval! How much do you know about Indy 4 which is shooting now? It doesnt even have a name yet.
it is clear from all your posts that you have a bizarrely distorted view of the way the universe should run and there really is no point in replying to your rantings any further
good luck with your life
My $10.00, more like several thousand over the last 21 years that I have been a Star Trek fan. If I was born earlier, I'm sure I would have been a fan for 41 years, but TOS was already done when I was born.
It was TOS that made me a fan, I religiously watched TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT as new episodes. I have seen every Trek film opening day since Star Trek IV. I've been to dozens of conventions, and bought thousands of dollars in licensed merchandise.
Don't just think that the $10.00 at the theater is all the financial support that people show for Star Trek.
I went to see Generations 5 times in the theater, First Contact 6 times, Insurrection 4 times, but only once for Nemesis, because the story didn't hold much water.
In the long run, I believe that my spending did indeed make a difference.
It was TOS that made me a fan, I religiously watched TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT as new episodes. I have seen every Trek film opening day since Star Trek IV. I've been to dozens of conventions, and bought thousands of dollars in licensed merchandise.
Don't just think that the $10.00 at the theater is all the financial support that people show for Star Trek.
I went to see Generations 5 times in the theater, First Contact 6 times, Insurrection 4 times, but only once for Nemesis, because the story didn't hold much water.
In the long run, I believe that my spending did indeed make a difference.
Plum said:
^^^
Well, I'd wonder what difference it made for you. Don't let negative feelings get ya down. Everything is fine. Oh man, I sound like Berman now.
UWC Defiance said:
Uh, not even close.
Oh yea, I miss Stewey. He was dedicated.
Single-minded, at least.
I would disagree with Woulfe's point number seven. I did not care for the script of 'The Voyage Home', and do not particularly like the film. Oddly though, I do like 'The Search for Spock'.
While it's quite possible the film really does have a great script, I'm inclined to doubt it given the inauspicious resume of Orci & Kurtzmann. Hashimoto & Oguni these guys ain't. Michael Bay schlockfests, cornball TV shows... I can see guys like that churning out an empty script that's big on silly TVH-esque humour and light on content.
Hey, maybe I'll be surprised and it's a great movie. Really, I'd prefer to be surprised. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
While it's quite possible the film really does have a great script, I'm inclined to doubt it given the inauspicious resume of Orci & Kurtzmann. Hashimoto & Oguni these guys ain't. Michael Bay schlockfests, cornball TV shows... I can see guys like that churning out an empty script that's big on silly TVH-esque humour and light on content.
Hey, maybe I'll be surprised and it's a great movie. Really, I'd prefer to be surprised. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
I think that some of the naysayers and skeptics may not know Nimoy's history with Star Trek. He was never a poster boy for Star Trek. He refused to be in the first film, in part because he disliked the script. He accepted a part in Trek II, in part because they promised him a great death scene which would finally let him throw away the damn ears. He decided to return after they allowed him to direct the third film. He nearly refused to be a part of Trek V because the script was terrible.
And, he refused to be a part of Berman's Generations because the script sucked.
It was hard enough to get Nimoy to play Spock when he was younger and still a professional actor. For him to now agree, amidst retirement and photography, etc., to return as Spock one last time... it better be one hell of a script. He wouldn't say that lightly.
If it was trash, he would tell them so.
Nimoy isn't an actor to jump at the chance to play Spock again. He's spent much of his professional career trying to distance himself from the role. Part of him considered Spock a curse, and he constantly searched for a way out, as early as season 3 of TOS.
We don't have to stretch his endorsement to mean that maybe he is senile or attention grabbing. He is as sharp as ever.
For Nimoy to endorse the script is wonderful. The only other scripts he has endorsed have been WoK, TSFS, TVH, and TUC.
And, he refused to be a part of Berman's Generations because the script sucked.
It was hard enough to get Nimoy to play Spock when he was younger and still a professional actor. For him to now agree, amidst retirement and photography, etc., to return as Spock one last time... it better be one hell of a script. He wouldn't say that lightly.
If it was trash, he would tell them so.
Nimoy isn't an actor to jump at the chance to play Spock again. He's spent much of his professional career trying to distance himself from the role. Part of him considered Spock a curse, and he constantly searched for a way out, as early as season 3 of TOS.
We don't have to stretch his endorsement to mean that maybe he is senile or attention grabbing. He is as sharp as ever.
For Nimoy to endorse the script is wonderful. The only other scripts he has endorsed have been WoK, TSFS, TVH, and TUC.
That is why I've stopped reading certain sites. They grab on any internet rumor, while spoiling the details for others. It would have been much more exciting to learn, for the first time at ComicCon, that Nimoy and Quinto would be in the film. It's one thing to read rumors that turn out to be true. It's much better to drop your jaw as Leonard Nimoy walks onstage.
You could tell that Abrams was pissed off at the internet sites that spread the details. It could have been a glorious announcement, but tabloid journalism ruined it for me.
Nice for the relatively few people that went to Comic-Con, but for the rest of the millions of people that didn't, we would've still been reading about it on the internet, just a little later. And that's why those sites post that stuff so aggressively; most people don't get the opportunity to go to the big cons.
You really have a distorted view of reality, dont you?
BACKSTAGE AT COMIC CON
Abrams "Hmm, I wonder how I can insult the fans?"
Nimoy "Give the fuckers 9 minutes. Not a minute more. That'll show them"
Abrams (laughing) "The bastards. Hopefully they will reiterate their disgust in a thread a couple of days down the line"
Nimoy "Sounds good to me"
Abrams and Nimoy cackle loudly and sweep onto stage in dramatic uplighting with foreboding music...dum, dum, dum dummmm....
You're really reaching to find something to complain about, aren't you? Can't you find something to be positive about?
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