Nimoy to be in Star Trek 11

[Aragorn]

BalthierTheGreat said:
The other thing is that I've never ever seen a major film where the producer is going so far out of his way to *not* to reveal anything of substance about the film. When the producers lack confidence in the project, I see no reason to anticipate it.

Sounds like you prefer the Robert Zemeckis approach, where the entire movie is spoiled in the trailer because "going to the movies is like ordering at McDonald's."

Man, just think how much better Lost would've been if we knew everything in advance.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Sec31Mike said:
How about everyone that's been knee jerking my statements coming up with some form of valid support for this project, Just because they slap a Star Trek label on it doesn't make it good.

No, but I enjoy JJ Abrams' storytelling style, and how quickly he can make the viewer empathize for even minor characters seen in flashback sequences of "Lost".

I am trusting that he can make TOS, and young versions of its popular characters, as compelling on the big screen as TOS is/was on the small screen.

TOS has been around over 40 years, how is there anything original left there that hasn't been dissected already? Can anyone answer that.

TOS, nor the TOS movies, never delved into how young Kirk and Spock met or began to build their rapport.

How are they going to develop a new fanbase without the existing fanbase?

The opinions of the existing fanbase are not monolithic, so they really cannot be catered to. The best Abrams can do is to make a compelling, highly-commercial, well-written/directed/acted movie with innovative SPFX that demand to be seen on the big screen (many times by each patron), rather than to be rented on DVD a few months later.

Do they really think they can start fresh with a property that is highly developed and has already permeated pop culture?

You'd rather Star Trek ended forever when its original cast dies?

I'm glad they kept making "Superman" after George Reeves and Christopher Reeve were unable to make new adventures, and I'm glad that actors kept performing Shakespearean plays after the death of the Bard.

I meant it to cast doubt upon the production crew.

How generous! I'm yet to be unimpressed by "Lost".

If they want a fresh fanbase they need a fresh approach, not a recycling of the oldest property in the book.

Mmmmm. Tell that to Tolkien, Shakespeare, Homer and God.

 

[TGTheodore]

BalthierTheGreat said:
I don't know about this. I've never personally been a fan of setting a whole movie up as a flashback

Well I doubt the structure will as simple as older Spock rubbing his chin saying: "You know I remember when a similar thing occurred 82.3 years ago on Earth." And a wavy screen effect begins.

I'm fairly certain that the "flashback" and the "current story" will be related or interwoven.

--Ted

 

[Sharr Khan]

BalthierTheGreat said:
The other thing is that I've never ever seen a major film where the producer is going so far out of his way to *not* to reveal anything of substance about the film. When the producers lack confidence in the project, I see no reason to anticipate it.

Huh? Ah how is that even logical - since when is it a bad thing to keep things on the down low before the film even starts shooting? It'd be supremely dumb, really really dumb to start blabbing about "substance" story, plot, production ideas before the film begins to go to floor. Even then not blabbing seems the right thing to.

This isn't lack of faith or confidence on JJ Abrams part in his project, - should an author spoil all the goods before he starts typing his novel?

Its fanboish desire to Know NOW with a foot stomp at work here. Abrams is doing the exact right thing at the moment.

This is a really strange attitude, one that frankly amazes me.

Sharr

 

[Keith1701]

Sounds like a good idea to me.........I hope it comes true. :thumbsup:

 

[Holytomato]

I think that the fact that the hard core fans are complaining means that JJ and co are going in the correct direction.

:thumbsup:

Also, if hard core fans don't want to go the movie that hasn't even started filming yet, that means more tickets for me, and since my wife is also a trekker, that means even more snogging for me.

"Hey honey, I got Star Trek tickets. Let's go sit in the balconey."

":lunge:"

So in the words of King George, Bring it on!

So now, I exit stand left, and start reading "Enterprise: The First Adventure", "Strangers from the Sky", "Final Frontier", "Best Destiny", the young Starfleet Academy trilogy, and the Kirk and Sam saga trilogy again.

All Those Years Ago...", is that the first part of Kirk's academy years 3 parter from DC?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I think that the fact that the hard core fans are complaining means that JJ and co are going in the correct direction.

If NOBODY were complaining, I'd head for the hills because for Trekkies to stop complaining is one of the seven signs of the apocalypse.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Holytomato said:
"All Those Years Ago...", is that the first part of Kirk's academy years 3 parter from DC?

No. It was DC Comics' first TOS annual (Series I), concerning Pike's handover of Enterprise to Kirk.

 

[Jack Bauer]

The movie's fortunes will live and die with the general audience. If it cannot pull the general audience it'll be doomed no matter how much the fanbase likes or dislikes it. I don't care if the majority of fans bitch about this or that element. It won't hurt the film too much.

If people can't handle recasting...tough. We've seen iconic roles recast time and time again. Is Trek so much better than anything else that recasting will kill it? It's that freaking sacred that recasting is the ultimate sin?

 

[AC84]

It's not so much that recasting is blasphemy as is it hard for some to digest or simply takes a while to fully accept. Remember, unlike James Bond/Batman/Superman, this is the first time the iconic characters of Kirk and Spock are being recast....after 40 years. There is a reason why J. J. Abrams still felt he needed to get Nimoy as Spock and currently wants Shatner. I'm smart enough to know that recasting is inevitable and that this new movie, which is NOT aimed at the fans, is for the good of the franchise. But that still doesn't change how I feel, and I honestly wish I didn't have these feelings. It's almost like a kid getting a step-mother. The kid wants his dad to feel happy and he or she wants to be happy for him. That doesn't change the fact that the transition will be difficult. Giving the kid shit about their stubbornness isn't going to help. I'd give anything to switch places right now with some younger person who hasn't seen Star Trek. To see this film with new eyes, completely unaware of anything produced in Trek's past.

I'm in no way defending the uber die-hard geeks that have an attitude and defiantly refuse to accept change or anything new. Obviously they're speaking emotionally and stating their subjective opinions in the guise of objective facts. I'm just saying I can understand why some in the fan base are pessimistic. The movie is going to happen eventually. They have no choice but to get over that. But I won't attack them for their indignation. That's their right, and I sympathize.

As of right now, I like the direction this movie is going. They're going down the same path as Superman Returns. I'm just a little apprehensive about the new Kirk and the new Enterprise.

 

[tafkats]

Moving to Future of Trek...

 

[Trevok]

Happy to see him in the film

 

[AC84]

Going back on topic, it's pleasantly surreal. When Zachary Quinto was cast as the new Spock, I smiled. When Leonard Nimoy was announced to return as an older Spock, I got off my chair and starting fucking screaming with joy! Everyone in the house looked at me wide-eyed as I was saying YYYEEEESSSS!!! YES! YES! FUCK YEAH!

If Shatner gets announced as an older Kirk, I'm liable to faint. If the new Enterprise looks exactly like the old girl from TOS, then I'll know I'm dreaming.