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Nimoy/Shatner..friends??

I know..its seems out of leftfield. But I know that Shatner begged for Nimoy to do an episode of BOSTON LEGAL. The role they had written for Nimoy would have won him an emmy, or so it was hinted some time back.

But...no.. nimoy stated over and over and over that he had retired from acting. And now...here he is....in TREK XI.

I don't know..scratching my head on this one. What do some of you think?

Rob
 
I know..its seems out of leftfield. But I know that Shatner begged for Nimoy to do an episode of BOSTON LEGAL. The role they had written for Nimoy would have won him an emmy, or so it was hinted some time back.

But...no.. nimoy stated over and over and over that he had retired from acting. And now...here he is....in TREK XI.

I don't know..scratching my head on this one. What do some of you think?

Rob

Nimoy never closed the book on Star Trek. Even in retirement, he always said he would play Spock if the script interested him enough to do so. Shatner and Nimoy have been friends for decades. I am sure if he thought the script was interesting enough and not some goofy "Matlock-esque" cameo, he would have done it.
 
I know..its seems out of leftfield. But I know that Shatner begged for Nimoy to do an episode of BOSTON LEGAL. The role they had written for Nimoy would have won him an emmy, or so it was hinted some time back.

But...no.. nimoy stated over and over and over that he had retired from acting. And now...here he is....in TREK XI.

I don't know..scratching my head on this one. What do some of you think?

Rob

Nimoy never closed the book on Star Trek. Even in retirement, he always said he would play Spock if the script interested him enough to do so. Shatner and Nimoy have been friends for decades. I am sure if he thought the script was interesting enough and not some goofy "Matlock-esque" cameo, he would have done it.

And thats the strange part. He did like the script that Shatner/kelly approached him with..he just woulnd't budge from the RETIRED bit. Perhaps it was to controversal (rumored to have been about a survivor of a nazi-death camp--Nimoy--who leads the charge againt a 90+ year old german living in america. Could have been great episode)

Rob
 
I know..its seems out of leftfield. But I know that Shatner begged for Nimoy to do an episode of BOSTON LEGAL. The role they had written for Nimoy would have won him an emmy, or so it was hinted some time back.

But...no.. nimoy stated over and over and over that he had retired from acting. And now...here he is....in TREK XI.

I don't know..scratching my head on this one. What do some of you think?

Rob

Nimoy never closed the book on Star Trek. Even in retirement, he always said he would play Spock if the script interested him enough to do so. Shatner and Nimoy have been friends for decades. I am sure if he thought the script was interesting enough and not some goofy "Matlock-esque" cameo, he would have done it.

And thats the strange part. He did like the script that Shatner/kelly approached him with..he just woulnd't budge from the RETIRED bit. Perhaps it was to controversal (rumored to have been about a survivor of a nazi-death camp--Nimoy--who leads the charge againt a 90+ year old german living in america. Could have been great episode)

Rob

Maybe Bill hid his bicycle again..
 
Nimoy never closed the book on Star Trek. Even in retirement, he always said he would play Spock if the script interested him enough to do so. Shatner and Nimoy have been friends for decades. I am sure if he thought the script was interesting enough and not some goofy "Matlock-esque" cameo, he would have done it.

And thats the strange part. He did like the script that Shatner/kelly approached him with..he just woulnd't budge from the RETIRED bit. Perhaps it was to controversal (rumored to have been about a survivor of a nazi-death camp--Nimoy--who leads the charge againt a 90+ year old german living in america. Could have been great episode)

Rob

Maybe Bill hid his bicycle again..

that is a funny story. And considering how they didn't really get along back then, I bet there are even more interesting stories we will never hear!!!

Rob
 
And thats the strange part. He did like the script that Shatner/kelly approached him with..he just woulnd't budge from the RETIRED bit. Perhaps it was to controversal (rumored to have been about a survivor of a nazi-death camp--Nimoy--who leads the charge againt a 90+ year old german living in america. Could have been great episode)

Rob

Maybe Bill hid his bicycle again..

that is a funny story. And considering how they didn't really get along back then, I bet there are even more interesting stories we will never hear!!!

Rob
Some of those stories have been told..Justman's book covers some of the "feud."
 
From the Vulcan's mouth:

TrekMovie: Didn’t Bill try hard to get you onto Boston Legal?


Nimoy: He asked me if I would do it and I said no…I said no because I thought it was ’stunty’ and I didn’t want to do a stunt thing. Same thing with Heroes. They asked me to do a role in Heroes as well and I said no.
Nimoy speaks more on why he came out of retirement for Trek and his brotherly friendship with Bill Shatner here: http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/04/exclusive-interview-with-leonard-nimoy/

WARNING: SPOILERS ABOUND IN THE INTERVIEW
 
I think he's just extremely picky about scripts, definitely moreso than Shatner and good for him. That's why Shatner signed on for the character assissination (literally and figuratively) of "Star Trek: Generations" and Nimoy wanted no part of it. If Shatner hadn't just jumped at the opportunity to have his character featured heavily and considered how stupidly it was going to be used in the movie, maybe he'd be up on screen with Nimoy in the new movie as part of a framing device for it or something.
 
I think he's just extremely picky about scripts, definitely moreso than Shatner and good for him. That's why Shatner signed on for the character assissination (literally and figuratively) of "Star Trek: Generations" and Nimoy wanted no part of it. If Shatner hadn't just jumped at the opportunity to have his character featured heavily and considered how stupidly it was going to be used in the movie, maybe he'd be up on screen with Nimoy in the new movie as part of a framing device for it or something.

And this Generations movie totally sucked right? Can I watch it and follow along? I stopped watching TNG at about the time that blonde chick left so I don't remember that much about it.
 
I think he's just extremely picky about scripts, definitely moreso than Shatner and good for him. That's why Shatner signed on for the character assissination (literally and figuratively) of "Star Trek: Generations" and Nimoy wanted no part of it. If Shatner hadn't just jumped at the opportunity to have his character featured heavily and considered how stupidly it was going to be used in the movie, maybe he'd be up on screen with Nimoy in the new movie as part of a framing device for it or something.
Yes, but it's not realistic to say that Shatner shouldn't have taken on Generations in case there was a movie 15 years later that he might have an extended cameo in. A bit silly that attitude.

Anyhow, I liken the Nimoy thing to Sean Connery. He refused to be in Indy 4 because he had retired, despite Spielberg asking him but its been suggested that if he were to be offered the role of villain in a Bond movie he'd have to think very carefully about turning it down.

Spock is Spock. It is Nimoy's career role. His legacy. It is more than a one episode part on Boston Legal. If someone comes in with a well planned Trek movie that gives Spock something meaningful to do then Nimoy was always going to be ready to put the ears back on. I think whats happened here though is that having done so he's remembered that he actually quite enjoyed acting and fancies doing the odd job here and there.
 
There doesn't seem to be any big deal or mystery about this to me. I have wonderful friends whom I love dearly. I would give them the shirt off my back, as they would me. However, I sometimes do say no to these same people. Just as they do to me. Just because we're friends, it doesn't mean we always say or do exactly what the other asks of us.
As they are mature adults, I'm sure these two gentlemen are the same way in their friendships.
 
There doesn't seem to be any big deal or mystery about this to me. I have wonderful friends whom I love dearly. I would give them the shirt off my back, as they would me. However, I sometimes do say no to these same people. Just as they do to me. Just because we're friends, it doesn't mean we always say or do exactly what the other asks of us.
As they are mature adults, I'm sure these two gentlemen are the same way in their friendships.
^^^
THIS.
Could not have said it better myself. :)
 
And this Generations movie totally sucked right? Can I watch it and follow along? I stopped watching TNG at about the time that blonde chick left so I don't remember that much about it.

Whether it totally sucks or not is debatable, but it shouldn't be hard to follow even if you aren't that familiar with the show. There are only two really overt references to the backstory of the series that I can think of. One is Picard looking through his photo album and talking about his brother and nephew, who were featured heavily in the episode "Family". The other is the business of Data's emotion chip, which was explained in the episode "Brothers", but both plot points are explained adequately enough in the movie.

I wouldn't recommend watching the movie, though. The story is weak and while Shatner has a few fun lines that are enjoyable as a fan of the actor/character, his fate in the film is lame, and you're better off leaving "Star Trek VI" as your last Star Trek movie memory of Shatner as Kirk (at least for now). As someone who's hardly seen any TNG, the movies based on it are not a good place for you to start.

And Chupacabra, I wasn't saying Shatner simply shouldn't have taken the role because it reduced his chances of being in future Star Trek movies. I was saying this was one of the reprecussions of him taking on the role, but the real reason he should have turned it down was simply because it was written in a way that used his character poorly.

I guess he thought he was signing up for something that used his character the way the new movie used Spock - as a figure that is integral to the plot and with reverence for the character's importance in the history of the franchise. Yes, he was written as heroic and an important catalyst for the heroes to solve the central conflict, but his ultimate fate was bunk. He should have rejected the offer as soon as he read the part in the script about the ridiculous fist fight on the rickety bridge.
 
The TNG movies are awful because Picard never really left the Nexus and what we see of him afterwards (running around with bulging muslces, the greatest Captain in Starfleet history dying at his feet, killing Borgs with his bare hands, ramming into Romulan super-ships) are nothing but silly fantasies.
 
Shatner and Nimoy...well, if they aren't fantastic friends, if their friendship was fragile enough to get upset over such a thing like this and they always smiled and hugged rather genuinely when they see each other...

Then....

Man, both those guys deserve Oscars, Emmys, SAG Awards, anything you can think of because that is an amazing job of acting.
 
And Chupacabra, I wasn't saying Shatner simply shouldn't have taken the role because it reduced his chances of being in future Star Trek movies. I was saying this was one of the reprecussions of him taking on the role, but the real reason he should have turned it down was simply because it was written in a way that used his character poorly.

I guess he thought he was signing up for something that used his character the way the new movie used Spock - as a figure that is integral to the plot and with reverence for the character's importance in the history of the franchise. Yes, he was written as heroic and an important catalyst for the heroes to solve the central conflict, but his ultimate fate was bunk. He should have rejected the offer as soon as he read the part in the script about the ridiculous fist fight on the rickety bridge.

Remember - Shatner lived in a pickup truck camper for a few years after TOS went of the air; and in 1994 TNG was at the height of it's mainstream popularity, and Paramount was basically telling everyone "Here's the new Star Trek movie franchise..."

Given all that, I fail to see why Shatner (or his agent) would think: "Hey, let's pass on a 12 million dollar paycheck just in case the TNG franchise falls flat and they decide to bring the original cast back again in some form..."

As for Nimoy, I do think he's a good guy, but even back in the days of TOS; there are stories of him going overboard on maintaining 'the integrity' of his character and the show; and there's even one pretty famous memo where the NBC heads are writing GR saying essentially "We could understand these demands if this were a top 10 show, but is Nimoy aware of the ratings?"

This is no denegration of Mr. Nimoy per se as he's now financially well off enough to do whatever he wants; and has plenty of other interests outside of acting to occupy his time.

Mr. Shatner on the other hand seems to be one of those actors who only really enjoys acting; and also comes from and has experienced 'starving actor syndrome' to the point where he goes with the old addage of 'never turn down a job with a good paycheck."

So, again, I will never understand why people look at him funny for accepting a 12 million dollar gig. He understands what many fans don't - Kirk is a FICTIONAL character. Would he have loved to see a part for the original Kirk in the new Star Trek film? Yes - but only because it would have netterd him another large paycheck; not because he cares about the 'integrity' of Kirk. Hell, he pictched a Kirk story to the producers of ENT; and didn't turn it down because of what they wanted Kirk to do in the story; but rather because they couldn't meet his asking price.
 
I think he's just extremely picky about scripts, definitely moreso than Shatner and good for him. That's why Shatner signed on for the character assissination (literally and figuratively) of "Star Trek: Generations" and Nimoy wanted no part of it. If Shatner hadn't just jumped at the opportunity to have his character featured heavily and considered how stupidly it was going to be used in the movie, maybe he'd be up on screen with Nimoy in the new movie as part of a framing device for it or something.

And this Generations movie totally sucked right? Can I watch it and follow along? I stopped watching TNG at about the time that blonde chick left so I don't remember that much about it.

I don't think it sucks at all, and it definitely doesn't fit my definition of "totally sucked." Of course, you need to keep in mind a fact about me and the movies, which is that I haven't loved any of them (so far...I haven't seen the new one yet, though I plan on it), and in fact have disliked several of them. But I didn't think Generations was bad at all, and I don't really understand the loathing it sometimes gets. Be that as it may, I think you could follow along OK - most of the movies are pretty good about being stand-alone dramas.
 
Shatner asking Nimoy to be on Boston Legal and him refusing but saying yes to JJ Abrams was a big joke at the Las Vegas convention 2 years ago (I witnessed this.)

It's my understanding that they are friends, since Nimoy served as best man at one of Shatner's weddings.
 
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