Do these arguments always have to go in an ageist direction? It will be really interesting to see how the rating are for Orville season 2 to test your theory that the Trek purist demo is no different from Matlock watchers pushing walkers around.
Nicholas Meyer Discusses Discovery
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Do these arguments always have to go in an ageist direction? It will be really interesting to see how the rating are for Orville season 2 to test your theory that the Trek purist demo is no different from Matlock watchers pushing walkers around.
Who says it has to be a negative? At least you got to see all the cool bands. 
You forget TNG Season 2 with the Female Dr. Leonard McCoy in the form of Dr. Katherine Pulaski <--- An "old country doctor" (yes, she said that a few times) who was also distrustful of the Transporter and thought the thing would 'scatter a person's atoms across the Galaxy'. They also tried to recreate the McCoy<--->Spock argument dynamic between her and Data <--- But that failed miserably as Data was always portrayed as innocently naive about certain aspects in a way the character of Spock never was; so she came across more like someone bullying a child; so they quickly dropped that aspect.
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I don't think that was a re-tooling of the show, so much as just switching out one of the characters.
Well it does appear that there are metrics someone has to show ST: D is not at all failing/faltering in terms of viewership:
https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/12/01/star-trek-discovery-global-tv-demand-award/
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I'm not being ageist. That IS what you see advertising on Fox news. Why reactionary viewers who want to return the vision of a world that never existed in the first place (TOS, Fox News, take your pick) seem to be a good target audience for catheters and gold investments is not my place to say.
As far as demographics: All I'm going to say is, when I moderated the TOS Forum, I was about half the age of most of the regulars.
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Popularity is popularity.It amazes me that they seem take into account 'pirating' in same manner.
It shows people want to watch it.
It's not promoting piracy.
Yeah, us old farts may be dwindling, but we ain't gone yet.
GET OFF MY STARSHIP!!!!
Or better yet.....
GET OUT OF MY HEAD-CANON !!!!
I just meant that somehow the statistic's company can figure out a number for folks being bad.
<scratching my head>
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The one thing this really affirms is that ALL streaming shows actually have miniscule amount of viewers.
Like, we have the hard numbers: 2.5 people sbscribe to CBS All Access. Of whom guaranteed not everyone watches DIS, by all metrics not even half of them.
But streaming is a different business model: They don't need thousands of people watching advertisement so that companies pay them. The viewers directly pay them. If you listen to people like Aaron Sorkin, he often makes fun of how few people actually watch the "big" streaming shows that seem to shape pop-cultural discussion at any given time.
Like, House of Cards would probably get axed on television immediately for how miniscule it's viewership numbers actually is. But that's not what matters: The critics love it. The media pays attention to Netflix. Netflix is "in", and the people pay for it. Even if they only watch re-runs of "modern family" on it.
So yeah, Discovery can (and probably is) both the Star Trek show with the smallest audience ever, and STILL not only financially viable, but actually comparatively big in the streaming market.
Well torrents track how many people are currently downloading/uploading.
Some websites list number of unique downloads. It's not hard data to find.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
I really don't know anything about Torrents, so I'm not even sure how to frame a question in that manner.
I was just wondering about all those sites one can see on the Internetz that offer to let a person watch something that has been uploaded illegally without having to DL it.
How does a Statistic Company go about measuring those?
Usually Torrent sites have their own tracker which tracks how often a file is downloaded through their site. So their able to see how popular those files are. I have no doubt that companies are tracking that.I really don't know anything about Torrents, so I'm not even sure how to frame a question in that manner.
I was just wondering about all those sites one can see on the Internetz that offer to let a person watch something that has been uploaded illegally without having to DL it.
How does a Statistic Company go about measuring those?
See. but I'm not talking about down-loading the shows.
I'm just referring to sites that let people VIEW the material only.
How does one go about measuring that?
I guess I'm going to have to do some Google-Fu to get a better understanding about what Torrents are and how they work.
I'm just referring to sites that let people VIEW the material only.
How does one go about measuring that?
I guess I'm going to have to do some Google-Fu to get a better understanding about what Torrents are and how they work.
Torrents are not viewable on site. They are packets that can be downloaded and unencrypted to watch the video format. So, one analytics way is to see how many times the file of the pirated show is being downloaded.See. but I'm not talking about down-loading the shows.
I'm just referring to sites that let people VIEW the material only.
How does one go about measuring that?
I guess I'm going to have to do some Google-Fu to get a better understanding about what Torrents are and how they work.
If a site is streaming the content (more difficult as that is more likely to be flagged for copyright violation and removed) then all sites keep track of how many views and clicks a page has. So, you just have to get in to the back end.
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