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nice to see kids listening to classical music

MasterJedi Mike

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In "Star Trek", the adolescent James Kirk stole and ultimately wrecked that car all the while listening to "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys.

It'd be a little like me jacking a car while listening to The Marriage of Figaro.
 
^No, it'd be more like you jacking a horse-drawn hansom cab while listening to The Marriage of Figaro. The car was an antique to begin with, so why wouldn't its owner have programmed its audio player with period music (approximately)?
 
I think you are confused about terms. "Classical" music is Motzart, Beethoven, Strauss, etc. At first I thought this thread was relating to a good score reaching out to young people and making them interested in that style of music. I really don't thing Beastie Boys would (or more importantly should) be classified as "classical" in any age.
 
^It was ironic. He's hardly the first person to joke that people centuries from now might refer to 20th-century popular music as "classical."
 
In one of Diane Duane's early Romulan novels she refferences the classics, and includes Devo. I thought that was funny. Classic alternative yes. A classic, not so sure.
 
Until the new movie, Star Trek seemed to imply that only Mozart, Berlioz, and jazz would survive to the future. :)
 
Judging from Star Trek, one would have to believe that human beings completely stopped creating any art, literature, music, drama, or poetry after the year 2000, at least until they started writing holonovels -- except their holonovels were almost always period pieces set before the year 2000. All the culture depicted in Trek is either from our own past or from an alien world. We have all these fans of jazz and Westerns and '30s movie serials and '60s spy films and the Alamo and so forth -- where are the fans of colonial Martian literature or WWIII epics or space boomer folk music?
 
The occasional starship bridge plaque would have 20th century lyrics, too, IIRC. Classical music's definition can change.

The clearest example I can think of is George Gershwin. When he was composing, quite a few critics considered his work to be closer to the emerging jazz scene than actual classical music, especially "Rhapsody in Blue." However, these days, the only radio stations that will play Gershwin are classical stations now.
 
Gershwhin considered RiB classical music, in a similar way to Benny Goodman who did crossover from jazz to classical in his later career, commissioning new works from Bela Bartok for instance. Gershwin was desperate to be considered an art musician but it was only really after his death this happened. This is neither here nor there since what the OP meant to say was antique music, rather than classical.
 
I think you are confused about terms. "Classical" music is Motzart, Beethoven, Strauss, etc.?
Strauss is romantic, not classical... :)

The joke goes over my head AND I mess up in examples. Blah. I stand corrected.

At any rate, it is true that Trek hasn't always done such a great job of showing current culture surviving to the 23/4 centuries. It's good to know that rock and roll doesn't get lost forever once we have warp drive, as FC and XI showed us.
 
Judging from Star Trek, one would have to believe that human beings completely stopped creating any art, literature, music, drama, or poetry after the year 2000...where are the fans of colonial Martian literature or WWIII epics or space boomer folk music?

This is something that has always bugged me about Star Trek's future history. I can understand why inventing music from the future can lead to the show not aging well, as our perceptions of the future change, but the idea that humans don't listen to or appreciate current music and literature is one of the more unrealistic parts of Star Trek.
 
Ummm...Marriage of Figaro, even in its day was serious art music - fun, but art music.

There is a big difference between "classic" pop/rock music and what we understand to be "classical" music in the current usage. But Figaro was never "pop" music in the way rock songs are now.

The equivalent to Beastie Boys - in the remotest sense - would have been popular music of the day, probably Bavarian drinking songs, hehehe.

Dunno what opera of the 23rd century sounds like, nor did XI give us a hint. Thank goodness, given the direction a lot of modern opera's going in now.
 
I think you are confused about terms. "Classical" music is Motzart, Beethoven, Strauss, etc. At first I thought this thread was relating to a good score reaching out to young people and making them interested in that style of music. I really don't thing Beastie Boys would (or more importantly should) be classified as "classical" in any age.
*facepalm*
 
There were many Beastie Boys in Mozart's day and age. But they didn't survive.

I doubt any contemporary musician will make it into the 24th century. Elvis or the Stones maybe, I dunno. But today's classical composers, Mozart, Beethoven et al, will still be there, I believe. Same reason why Homer is still around, altogether with Shakesspeare. Some artist's work survived until now and will survive as long mankind exists.



That said, I find that carriage and classical music comparison justified to show how ridiculous that scene was. 250 years, people. 250 years in the future, after several alien contacts that boosted humanity's development. Kirk lives in a world that uses matter/antimatter reactions, solar energy, fusion reactors. Mankind mastered gravity, so their vehicles are able to fly. If they travel, they beam over thousands of miles or fly shuttles. They are able to turn energy into matter! I think people here watched Trek way too long so they don't realize how advanced that future actually is. It's not about iPhones being better than communicators, that's nothing compared to the rest.

And then again, how many people collect 300 year old carriages?

And moreover, how did he fuel the engine? 50 years from now, oil reserves will be exploited. 250 years from now, mankind will have used alternative energy sources for 200 (!) years. I doubt they will even know what gasoline is. "Daddy, what is oil?" - "You know, son, 300 years ago they burned a black liquid to create energy. And they burned so much of it, their atmosphere was full of toxic smoke, and they exploited all of their reserves of that raw oil. Only then they were forced to use the energy of sun, wind and water." - "Sounds like the stone age."


Kirk using a bike with wheels is already borderlining stupid when we've clearly seen what kind of bike the police uses. Oh, the wheels where magnetically propelled. Big deal. Other bikes are propelled using anti-gravity engines!
 
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