Nibiru Class Starship

[judexavier]

Hmm. (Note: Lately I've grown somewhat bored with trek, perhaps a let-down symptom of my self-induced movie-anticipation ...I've been playing around with "concepts" for an imagined "forbidden planet" remake for my own amusment ofcourse...)
This is kinda the direction I was going...

I think it's rather neat (The first image), scaling and detail issues aside (admittedly inherent in 1st draft cut/paste conceptualizing) I like it.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Your front and side views do not line up. The torps on the side view are too far aft. The nose doesn't match. The side windows don't line up. The bussard collectors don't line up.

Actually they line up perfectly.

 

[Birdog]

Your front and side views do not line up. The torps on the side view are too far aft. The nose doesn't match. The side windows don't line up. The bussard collectors don't line up.

Actually they line up perfectly.

No. They don't.

Full image

Like I said the torps don't line up at all. Nor does the Bussard collector. The overall design is not bad other than the physically impossible nose launcher. The only problem is poor draftsmanship which can be improved with practice and by paying attention.

edit: Can someone tell me how to post an image at lower res than the original?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Each view is at a different distance, if they were scaled up as a whole image they'd then line up. I used section drawings from the fact files and in order to fit the image into a smaller area to post in this forum I scaled the drawings to fit on the page better. They were all originally at the same scale and all lined up, obviously if I scale them up and down a bit to make a better fit they wont line up, but scale wise they do if they are put at the accurate scale.

 

[Gepard]

Each view is at a different distance, if they were scaled up as a whole image they'd then line up. I used section drawings from the fact files and in order to fit the image into a smaller area to post in this forum I scaled the drawings to fit on the page better. They were all originally at the same scale and all lined up, obviously if I scale them up and down a bit to make a better fit they wont line up, but scale wise they do if they are put at the accurate scale.

ORTHOGRAPHIC IMAGES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!​

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I drew boxes around each individual section, altered their scales to different scales in order to fit them into a better screen area. How can they not "work that way"??

All this arguing over the scales of my sections is idiotic, irrelevant and serves no purpose but to eventually cause bad blood and trouble. So just don't even go there.

 

[Birdog]

Orthographic views are always supposed to be at the same scale. Period. Besides that's not what you did.

The main body of the shuttle is pretty close to the same size in all the views. The problem comes in when you added things. You didn't make the views match at all.

Drafting as an art has evolved over 500 years to where it's at now. To see an example of a properly laid out and scaled orthographic image see my frigate here. I did all of that in Photoshop using Vance's toolkit. You could do that in The Gimp which is free.

 

[Gepard]

The main body of the shuttle is pretty close to the same size in all the views. The problem comes in when you added things. You didn't make the views match at all.

Drafting as an art has evolved over 500 years to where it's at now. To see an example of a properly laid out and scaled orthographic image see my frigate here. I did all of that in Photoshop using Vance's toolkit. You could do that in The Gimp which is free.

I don't want to derail this thread and make it about the OP, but – given that you're new here – I feel you should know that Legend has a bit of a reputation on this board for refusing to take any kind of constructive criticism or suggestions about anything he ever does. His above post is a pretty standard sample of how he jumps through hoops to rationalize everything and cover up his own mistakes, even if doing so makes no sense.

I'm sure you just want to help by offering feedback and suggestions, but I think you should know it's going to be a waste of your time. Maybe Legend can step up here and prove me wrong by refining his work, but from past experience, I'd suggest not bothering any further.

 

[Birdog]

Yeah I'm new but I have observed what you're talking about in my short time on the board. I'm hoping maybe I can help him refine his work. It's a pet peeve of mine to see poor draftsmanship when it's really not hard at all to get it right. I'm only 25 but I've been drafting for ten years between school and work. I've been a professional for 5 years now.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The main body of the shuttle is pretty close to the same size in all the views. The problem comes in when you added things. You didn't make the views match at all.

Drafting as an art has evolved over 500 years to where it's at now. To see an example of a properly laid out and scaled orthographic image see my frigate here. I did all of that in Photoshop using Vance's toolkit. You could do that in The Gimp which is free.

I don't want to derail this thread and make it about the OP, but – given that you're new here – I feel you should know that Legend has a bit of a reputation on this board for refusing to take any kind of constructive criticism or suggestions about anything he ever does. His above post is a pretty standard sample of how he jumps through hoops to rationalize everything and cover up his own mistakes, even if doing so makes no sense.

I'm sure you just want to help by offering feedback and suggestions, but I think you should know it's going to be a waste of your time. Maybe Legend can step up here and prove me wrong by refining his work, but from past experience, I'd suggest not bothering any further.

That is incorrect.

 

[Vance]

Q.E.D.

Honestly, I don't get this, and I do actually wonder if we're not being trolled her or not.

I make mistakes on my ships all the time - easy to do when you have so many. Know what happens when someone points them out? I either ask for clarification, or fix them... there's a shocker.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I don't want to "fix" my drawing because there's nothing wrong with it. I made a design for a ship and a fighter shuttle and I've shared it with people. You either like it or you don't but if you don't like it I'm certainly not going to lose no sleep over it.

SHOCKER!

 

[Birdog]

I don't want to "fix" my drawing because there's nothing wrong with it. I made a design for a ship and a fighter shuttle and I've shared it with people. You either like it or you don't but if you don't like it I'm certainly not going to lose no sleep over it.

SHOCKER!

There is plenty wrong with it as I have pointed out.

You can either learn from what we have pointed out and grow your ability and maybe someday you'll be known with the likes of Vance and Cary L. Brown, Vektor and all the other greats.

Or you can not learn and be just another guy with half-assed fanwank designs; doomed to the be forgotten in the subbasement of fandom.

 

[Vance]

I don't want to "fix" my drawing because there's nothing wrong with it. I made a design for a ship and a fighter shuttle and I've shared it with people. You either like it or you don't but if you don't like it I'm certainly not going to lose no sleep over it.

SHOCKER!

There are a number of technical things wrong with it, as has been pointed out already numerous times. You've begun getting personal, you've lied to us, you've been insanely defensive over this... and yet you won't do the one thing that makes the most sense to do...

Update your artwork.

That's the difficulty I'm having with you at the moment. No one who regularly designs and models ships here ever says "My first draft is teh awesome, and you suxxors if you don't like it!"

When I post here, or at my own site, I expect comments. I want people to say "Your warp engine is way too small" if it actually is or "you messed up your lines between these two views". A designer needs that level of input in order to improve their work.

Accordingly, I have no qualms about giving such statements to pretty much everyone here, be they Vektor, or you, or Eaves, Church, and Sternbach. And if Franz Joseph or Matt Jefferies were still around, I would give it to them to... and they would take it and use it.

Now, if you're not here just to stir shit up (which, admittedly, is beginning to look likely), then you're going to need to take this advice. People commenting on the flaws of your artwork generally are not commenting on your personal character - don't turn it into such a discussion because you believe you're beyond criticism.

 

[largo]

obviously, the ship takes advantage of romulan gravitational lensing -- similar to a cloak, but instead of making a vessel invisible, it continuously distorts its profile and visible features to confuse enemy sensors.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Vance, birdog, et al...

Legend (Tacky/Fire) will not give an inch. You guys have offered very good advice which he will never follow. In his mind, his work is perfect. It is you who are wrong.

As a glaring example of his fail, I'll refer you to the following thread:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=89467&highlight=hawking

In it, he makes a crude attempt at humor regarding Stephen Hawking's illness and absolutely refuses to admit it was in bad taste.

That is blatant Trolling.

 

[Vance]

At this point, I'm going to send this up to the mods to see how they want to handle it.

Legend, you're doing yourself no favors. The 'victim' card doesn't exactly endear you to anyone. If you truly felt that it was something demanding moderator action, there is a little 'inform moderator' button for such issues.

Cmarhpez, while I understand what you are attempting to do, we're not really supposed to be discussing the poster in such a way. We've been under the assumption that the man is in earnest. If you really do want to cite that we're wasting our time with him, a PM would have been more appropriate.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

If you truly felt that it was something demanding moderator action, there is a little 'inform moderator' button for such issues.

I'm well aware of it.

I simply cannot believe how my attempts to design a ship by cut and paste can cause so much bother. I swear to God, any none Trekies who were to fall upon this thread would slap their faces into their palms over all this.

I understand people having criticisms but there's no need for people to be so angry and aggressive about it. I see no need to change my design or improve it because I simply do not have the tools with which to so that. If I had had good enough design tools in the first place there would not have been any scale issues or detail issues because I'd have designed my ship from scratch and would not have relied on cutting and pasting.

All I wanted to do was get a basic schematic made of what my ship would look like, people were expecting too much too soon from the design when I clearly stated my tools were limited.
Complaining about scales and detail such as window sizes was completely unnecessary because as I said if I had the correct tools they would not even be an issue.

 

[Birdog]

Legend,
One personal question if I may: How old are you?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Legend,
One personal question if I may: How old are you?

What does that have to do with anything?