NFL 2019 Season

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  1. gblews

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    Same can be said for Andy Reid teams and the Chiefs franchise ingeneral.
    Gordon will most likely end his holdout to coincide with the start of the regular season.
     
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    My ex-wife was a Redskins fan. I converted her to a Steelers fan. It wasn't that difficult.
     
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  3. BillJ

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    Covered that...

    As far as Gordon goes, it depends how committed to his cause he is. I think he only has to show up by week ten to get credit for the year.
     
  4. gblews

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    Pretty sure it doesn't work this way. He would be getting paid for games in which he was not available play. I don't think his salary for the season is guaranteed. And besides that, the fines he would have racked up by week 10 would be monstrous. Gordon has as much incentive as needed to get into camp ASAP.
     
  5. BillJ

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    He doesn't get paid for the weeks he sits out. But he gets an accrued year towards free agency by showing up before week ten.

    I'm not sure he does, depending on his current financial situation. He's "only" due $5.8 million this season, which is small if he can go elsewhere and get a deal somewhere in LeVeon Bell's range.

    Besides, any deal that gets him into camp will likely require the Chargers to waive most/all of the fines.
     
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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...l-elliott-melvin-gordon-holdouts-leveon-bells

     
  7. BillJ

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    I do wonder if Bruce Arians is in a potential "one-and-done" type of situation in Tampa? Either fix Jameis Winston, or be shown the door at the end of the season along with Jason Licht, the GM, and Winston.
     
  8. Timby

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    Winston is toast, the Glazers are just cheapskates and didn't want to eat his cap hit if they sacked him. Arians is on a four-year deal, and NFL coaches' contracts are fully guaranteed, as opposed to the players'. He'll get at least two years.
     
  9. BillJ

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    I just saw the Jaguars highlights from last week. They look nothing like the team that went to the AFC championship two years ago. :eek:
     
  10. gblews

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    So, you're saying he has incentive to end his holdout.
    Well, I assume he has made some type of short term arrangement to cover his expenses. If he hasn't then it's liable to be an even shorter holdout. Although 5.8 mil may seem like a small amount to you, I don't think Gordon is willing to just give that money away in addition to being on the hook for fines.

    I really think that Bell wanted to leave the Steelers and the Steelers wanted him gone. There was obvious bad blood there. So far,we haven't seen anything like this in the Gordon/Chargers situation. Frankly, I hope that the reason he ends his holdout is because the Chargers agree give him the contract extension he wants, but the Chargers have little incentive to do that.
    Yeah, the fines are yet another bargaining chip which the Chargers own.

    Running backs have gotten a raw deal in this pass happy era.They just aren't seen as being as valuable as they used ti be.
     
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    Good, that will keep the Texans out of last place in the AFC South then. LOL.

    I expect the Texans to end up somewhere around 8-8 this season and miss the playoffs. The Texan organization is as bad, if not worse, as the old Oiler regime under Bud Adams.
     
  12. BillJ

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    It isn’t “incentive”, he has to show up by the end of November in order to get credit for the year and be a free agent in 2020.

    Which is why I put "only" in quotation marks...

    Of course it is a lot of money from our perspective. Is it from his? When an agent is dangling "the big payday" in front of him? Would I think he'd walk away from the majority of $5.8 million? No. But last year I thought there was no way Le'Veon Bell would walk away from 14+ million dollars guaranteed in 2018... yet here we are.

    The Chargers offered him a deal with a $10 million+ average-annual-value, which he said no. And is seemingly gunning for $2-3 million more on top of that (Bell money).

    https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/chargers-melvin-gordon-have-not-made-progress

    Personally, I don't think he's in the Gurley-Bell money range based on his production and history injury. He could show up today, the beginning of the season or the end of November. At this point? I'd show up the day before the season starts, collect paychecks while going through three or four weeks of camp stuff before hitting the field. Though I don't have his ear, his agent does.
     
  13. BillJ

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    You never know? Rumors abound that Andrew Luck has a bum ankle.
     
  14. Timby

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    It's not a rumor, the GM literally said yesterday that he has a high-ankle issue.
     
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    I hadn’t heard anything specific, thanks for the info.
     
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    The AFC South has been in serious competition for worst division in the league before, there's no reason we can't do it again.
     
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    Yes, which is why I wrote:
    ...in my initial post on the subject, which you apparently disagreed with, at least at the time.

    Gordon's situation is different from Bell's in several ways. The Steelers either didn't want to franchise tag Bell or couldn't. In the case of Gordon, he is young enough and maybe valuable enough to the Chargers for them to tag him, though that could work out in Gordon's favor as well. But the point is, to tag, or not to tag, is totally up to the Chargers. It is yet another bargaining chip that is in the team's control. Gordon does not appear to have even as much leverage as Bell and his was negligible, especially if the Steelers had really wanted to keep him.

    This is additional evidence that NFL players are pretty close to being chattel for the owners. The game is much too physically debilitating for the players to have as little power as they do. And Gordon and Bell play the most physically demanding position in football. I'v advocated for years that the players should do a work stoppage in the middle of the regular season, blow off the playoffs and, most importantly, the Super Bowl. They should stay out until they get what they need in a new CBA.

    They'll never do it, of course, and will likely remain second class citizens in a business that destroys their bodies and minds. They're just not together enough.

    Thus the reasons Gordon's holdout is not likely to last beyond the start of the regular season.
    Coming in by November affords Gordon the benefit of credit for the season. THAT is "incentive" for him to NOT sit out the entire season.
     
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    Watching Hard Knocks: Training Camp with the Oakland Raiders on HBO.

    Hard to believe Sean McVay was the "piss boy" at one point for Jon Gruden. :lol:
     
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    It's preseason. None of this means anything.
     
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    Are there fans who buys tickets to these games? I know season ticket holders get them by default but is there anyone who goes out of their way to see this garbage?