NFL 2018 Season

[BillJ]

Le'Veon Bell gave up nearly $15 million to sit out last year, to get $25 million guaranteed over the next two years. Nice going!

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/03/leveon-bell-contract-details

• Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News provides a breakdown of Bell’s payouts (via Twitter). He notes that the total guarantee is $25MM, as opposed to the $35MM that was first reported, and he also points out that the Jets will pay out $26MM in cash through the first two years of the deal.
• Bell’s base salaries in 2019 and 2020 ($2.5MM and $6MM) are fully guaranteed, but after that, the guaranteed money is gone. That means that the Jets can cut bait after two seasons –having paid just $26MM — and would incur a fairly modest $4MM dead cap charge while saving $11.5MM against the cap.
• As Tom Pelissero of the NFL Network tweets, the deal also includes $3MM training camp reporting bonuses in 2021 and 2022, which could disincentivize Bell from staging another holdout after his guarantees dry up.

 

[Jayson1]

Who wants to bet Bell won't be close to what he once was because of sitting out. Rust plus being another year older for a RB doesn't sound like a player I would want.


Jason

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Who wants to bet Bell won't be close to what he once was because of sitting out. Rust plus being another year older for a RB doesn't sound like a player I would want.

Jason

An epic fucking baby doesn't sound like a player I would want, but you knew somebody would take him.

There's always one or two organizations that are wiling to throw team chemistry out the window for talent. That's where my statement about dysfunction is partially based.

 

[gblews]

Well they seem dysfunctional but not nearly as much since the Al Davis days.

Jason

Al was definitely the tops when it came to crazy, but Mark doesn't seem to be too far behind his dad. And it doesn't fly as well these days as it did when Al was alive.

As always, time will tell.

Except, neither of you answered my question; why do you say the Raiders are dysfunctional?

Now if the two of you don't have an answer, I quite understand, but if you do, lets hear it.

 

[BillJ]

Except, neither of you answered my question; why do you say the Raiders are dysfunctional?

I'd say the turmoil surrounding the move to Vegas after being rejected for one of the spots in LA would be exhibit A. Signing Gruden for $100 million dollars is a classic Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder kind of move, especially just after extending Jack Del Rio for four years. Trying to make Gruden and Reggie Mackenzie work together. Dumping Khalil Mack, a once in a generation LB. Bringing in Antonio Brown has the possibility of badly blowing up in their collective face.

Maybe it all works out, maybe it doesn't. But from the outside, it hasn't looked too good during the Mark Davis years of running the franchise.

EDIT: This one says it all for me...

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/its-time-for-mark-davis-to-sell/Content?oid=21946947

This is the seventh full season that Davis has run the Silver and Black. It will be the sixth season that ends in a losing record. In five of those seven seasons, the team has not just been bad, they’ve been unwatchable. The Raiders’ record in the Mark Davis era, thus far, is a woeful 37-66.

The team has already had four head coaches in that brief time. And that’s not even counting Hue Jackson, whom Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie fired after the 2011 season.

 

[Herbert]

I was one of the guys who thought things in Raider land would get better once Al was gone.

 

[BillJ]

Of course Miami has turned into a dysfunctional dumpster fire as well. Sending Ryan Tannehill to Tennessee.

 

[gblews]

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I'd say the turmoil surrounding the move to Vegas after being rejected for one of the spots in LA would be exhibit A.

What turmoil? Please explain the turmoil you think you see.

The Raiders lobbied to become the second team in LA and the league rejected them. Mark Davis then made a deal to build and move into a new stadium in Las Vegas. Davis will have an entire state to himself and will also draw fans from California, including LA. Construction is on schedule.

Again, I ask, where is the turmoil? How does this make the Raiders dysfunctional?

Signing Gruden for $100 million dollars is a classic Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder kind of move, especially just after extending Jack Del Rio for four years.

Since when does firing a coach prove an organization is dysfunctional? Oh, you think firing a coach before his contract is up or right after signing him to an extension is dysfunctional? How long have you been watching the NFL, serious question?

Trying to make Gruden and Reggie Mackenzie work together.

You're not even trying, are you? See my question above.

Dumping Khalil Mack, a once in a generation LB. Bringing in Antonio Brown has the possibility of badly blowing up in their collective face.

Okay. Apparently, Gruden's plan is to use Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper as stepping stones to rebuilding the team. As a result of their trades, Gruden has 4 picks in the first two rounds, one in the top 4. He has signed Antonio Brown, Trent Brown, and LaMarcus Joiner, in FA so far.

Now, there is ALWAYS a chance that a player or even a rebuilding plan may not work out, but it is too early to tell about Gruden's plan at this time.

But how does the above indicate dysfunction?

Maybe it all works out, maybe it doesn't. But from the outside, it hasn't looked too good during the Mark Davis years of running the franchise.

EDIT: This one says it all for me...

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/its-time-for-mark-davis-to-sell/Content?oid=21946947

Uh, no dude. You aren't moving the goal posts like this. My original question was, what makes you and others state that the Raiders are dysfunctional. The question was not, how do you think the Raiders' moves will work out.

Just as I thought, the 3 of you who said the Raiders were dysfunctional, really didn't know what you were talking about and would not be able to answer the question. The Raiders have made lots of mistakes with players and coaches, like many teams, but that doesn't necessarily make them dysfunctional.

Now, if you disagree, you are welcome to point out the examples of dysfunction in the Raiders' organization. I'd have no problem acknowledging or rebutting those examples.

 

[BillJ]

Just as I thought, the 3 of you who said the Raiders were dysfunctional, really didn't know what you were talking about and would not be able to answer the question.

37-66 and four head coaches in seven years. Carr has had four offensive coordinators in his time in Oakland. That is dysfunction. Like it or not.

I can understand being a Homer, but for the love of God, cut some eye-slits into the paper bag before putting it on your head.

 

[gblews]

37-66 and four head coaches in seven years. Carr has had four offensive coordinators in his time in Oakland. That is dysfunction. Like it or not.

No, dysfunction would be the inability to make decisions or questions about who is the decision maker in the organization, players and coaches sniping at each other in the press. By your definition, most of the teams in the league who didn't make the playoffs are dysfunctional and even some who did.

Two years ago, the Raiders went 12-4 and were eliminated from the playoffs because they lost Carr. They're not that far away.

I can understand being a Homer, but for the love of God, cut some eye-slits into the paper bag before putting it on your head.

Lets be real, you and others are simply repeating stuff you hear on TV or read. Your posting that article in support of your "opinion" is proof.

And yes I'm a Raiders fan and if you've been paying attention you'll know that I was as critical as anyone of the Raiders these past couple of years. I condemned the Mack trade and have been critical of the Gruden hire. But lately I've seen that he at least has a plan. The jury is out on whether or not it works. "Dysfunction" would be not having a plan.

Got any examples of your objectivity? And I'll ask another question that you've avoided before; who is your team of choice?

 

[BillJ]

Lets be real, you and others are simply repeating stuff you hear on TV or read. Your posting that article in support of your "opinion" is proof.

Since I live in the US midwest/southeast, where else am I supposed to get information? Mark Davis has turned the Raiders into a bigger clusterfuck than his Dad could dream of.

Got any examples of your objectivity? And I'll ask another question that you've avoided before; who is your team of choice?

Umm... the post right above one of yours...

Of course Miami has turned into a dysfunctional dumpster fire as well. Sending Ryan Tannehill to Tennessee.

My team of choice is known to anyone that pays attention to my posts. And why do I need to be objective? From everything I've seen and read, Oakland is a dysfunctional mess right now, including the current head coach throwing his own players under the bus.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

\Manziel still can make in the new XFL. Vince McMahon will surely look the other way. Soon Johnny Football will be ripping it again!

Jason

Not the XFL, but he may be on his way to the AAF

 

[BillJ]

Not the XFL, but he may be on his way to the AAF

Apparently is going to play for the Memphis Express.

 

[Jayson1]

Apparently is going to play for the Memphis Express.

That should make for a interesting two months before he screws up again and gets cut or quits.

Jason

 

[BillJ]

Fitzmagic in Miami.

Touchdown or interception, we know he is going to put the football in the air!

 

[gblews]

Since I live in the US midwest/southeast, where else am I supposed to get information?

Getting information is one thing, getting information and then repeating it as your "opinion" is something else entirely.

Mark Davis has turned the Raiders into a bigger clusterfuck than his Dad could dream of.

As I said, the Raiders are only two seasons removed from a 12-4 campaign. Quit gaslighting. The post that started this discussion and the one I originally disagreed with, called the Raiders "dysfunctional". They took a big step backward last season, which is undeniable, but that has happened to many organizations without them being dysfunctional. No one is saying the Raiders haven't done more losing than winning over the last 15 years or so, but continuing with the Raiders are dysfunctional mantra just because "everyone knows it", is pretty uninformed.

As an organization, the Raiders function just fine, though, like many other teams, they've made coaching and player personnel mistakes. Perhaps you put too much faith in the opinions of Colin Cowherd or Steven A. or whoever.

I'de suggest applying a bit of common sense to what you read or hear these guys say and then see if it still makes sense. Just because you hear something on TV or read it on the internet, that doesn't make it necessarily fact.

And why do I need to be objective? From everything I've seen and read, Oakland is a dysfunctional mess right now, including the current head coach throwing his own players under the bus.

You need to be objective so your opinions carry some weight, duh. If you are relentlessly negative (or positive) against a certain team, you'll simply look biased and people will tend to dismiss your opinions as a result of your bias rather than facts.

But besides that, if you really know anything about the game and the league, your opinions should always vary, unless you are regurgitating the opinions of others because they fit your bias. Per your statement above, it kinda sorta looks like that may be what you're doing, but I could be wrong.

 

[BillJ]

You need to be objective so your opinions carry some weight, duh. If you are relentlessly negative (or positive) against a certain team, you'll simply look biased and people will tend to dismiss your opinions as a result of your bias rather than facts.

Your team is a dumpster fire, just like mine is.

 

[1001001]

The Rams sign Blake Bortles.

The final piece is now in place...

 

[137th Gebirg]

Seems like Mr. Kraft is going to get off, and in the other good way.

It would appear that Satan is not quite done with him yet on this Earth.

 

[gblews]

Your team is a dumpster fire, just like mine is.

"Dumpster fire" I can live with, at least until they show us otherwise.

I found this report interesting;
"MIT Analytics Awards Raiders "Best Transaction" For Trading Away Khalil Mack"
https://www.silverandblackpride.com...best-transaction-for-trading-away-khalil-mack

Of course the tale will really only be told once we see who Gruden drafts with all those picks. As I recall, he was really good evaluating free agents but not so good drafting.