Watched it today and couldn't believe how the Patriots fought their way back, with some rather incredible completions.
Great game.
Great game.
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It's not. Again, would be satisfying, but also a big distraction and would make the Pats out to be the bad guys when Roger is getting all the correct attention at the moment. Whether or not I'd enjoy it, Brady, Belichick, and Kraft are better than that.
Personally, I'd go out in a hail of gunfire, but that's why they are where they are, and I'm watching on tv.
Personally, I'd go out in a hail of gunfire, but that's why they are where they are, and I'm watching on tv.
News: Word is that the Browns, Bears and 49ers are interested enough in Garoppolo to fork over a 1st plus other picks, with the Bears being particularly interested due to the untested draft class at QB.
Views: If the net result of Ballghazi is that Brady got to hate-fuck the rest of the league, the Patriots won the Super Bowl and, because they got to highlight Garoppolo for 1.5 games, come away with net more draft picks I might die from simultaneously laughing and barfing.
Views: If the net result of Ballghazi is that Brady got to hate-fuck the rest of the league, the Patriots won the Super Bowl and, because they got to highlight Garoppolo for 1.5 games, come away with net more draft picks I might die from simultaneously laughing and barfing.
Better send any notes for your eulogy to a close friend, then 
1st + 4th seems to be the starting point, based on the deals last year. Will see if that means anything, and if the weak QB class this year prompts someone to start a bidding war, but it's at least a discussion point.
Of course, it's NOT "net more draft picks". Pats lost a 1st rounder last year, and their 4th round pick this upcoming draft, so this would basically just restock the cupboard back to even. Imagine how much better the Pats could have looked with the extra 1st round pick last year. Or more likely, a couple of 2nd rounders, or a much higher 1st rounder this year, etc.
Can't see the Bears giving up that high of a pick, so that's an issue there with the trade. They could offer a mid this year and a 1st next year, hoping they get a lower pick and they can get better by using #3 and grabbing Garoppolo, but no way they give up #3 for him straight up. Else I'd probably die laughing right along side you. Same with 49ers, that pick is surely too high to talk about, so it would have to be something decent this year and a big one next, right? Maybe Shannahan wants a Brady Light after being shown what Full Brady can do to your superbowl hopes?
Browns seem like a nice fit with two 1st rounders, so they can pick high and the #13 or whatever it is doesn't crush them in that draft. Plus plenty of Patriots connections so they'd evaluate more similarly to the Pats, maybe. I dunno, but that seems like a good fit (plus a huge haul). Not sure how the Bears or 49ers could approach it to try and make it look better than what the Browns could give up without killing themselves. Then again, league is run by majority of morons, so there's always a surprise trade where they give away 8 1st round picks or an entire draft board, so who knows?
1st + 4th seems to be the starting point, based on the deals last year. Will see if that means anything, and if the weak QB class this year prompts someone to start a bidding war, but it's at least a discussion point.
Of course, it's NOT "net more draft picks". Pats lost a 1st rounder last year, and their 4th round pick this upcoming draft, so this would basically just restock the cupboard back to even. Imagine how much better the Pats could have looked with the extra 1st round pick last year. Or more likely, a couple of 2nd rounders, or a much higher 1st rounder this year, etc.
Can't see the Bears giving up that high of a pick, so that's an issue there with the trade. They could offer a mid this year and a 1st next year, hoping they get a lower pick and they can get better by using #3 and grabbing Garoppolo, but no way they give up #3 for him straight up. Else I'd probably die laughing right along side you. Same with 49ers, that pick is surely too high to talk about, so it would have to be something decent this year and a big one next, right? Maybe Shannahan wants a Brady Light after being shown what Full Brady can do to your superbowl hopes?
Browns seem like a nice fit with two 1st rounders, so they can pick high and the #13 or whatever it is doesn't crush them in that draft. Plus plenty of Patriots connections so they'd evaluate more similarly to the Pats, maybe. I dunno, but that seems like a good fit (plus a huge haul). Not sure how the Bears or 49ers could approach it to try and make it look better than what the Browns could give up without killing themselves. Then again, league is run by majority of morons, so there's always a surprise trade where they give away 8 1st round picks or an entire draft board, so who knows?
You underestimate the stupidity of the McCaskeys.
In that case, bring them on! Maybe we can leverage the Bears offering #3 overall to talk the Browns into giving up #1, or #13 plus a first next year
And yeah, trying not to underestimate the stupidity of most NFL owners, GMs, and the like. Incredibly stupid, and when you think they can't get worse, they take it as a challenge. That's how the Pats have gotten where they are: Owner isn't stupid, and also stays out of the way. Has smart coach and personnel department, and lets them do their jobs. Eventually, the other teams will do something stupid, just gotta hang out and wait for it. I kinda miss Al Davis, he owes the Pats a couple more gimme picks for retreads!
#3 overall would be insane, though, really can't imagine that going there. Browns with #13 just feels like a nice big return without being completely crazy (it's very high, obviously, but QB being everything, nothing in the draft, blah blah blah, you can see them taking that shot if they think JG is the guy).
Also, can't imagine the Pats getting the #3 pick after winning the Super Bowl. It would be borderline unfair, and I'm sure Roger would have to investigate them for SOMETHING to slow that down. Haven't picked in the top few spots since Seymour in 2001. Mayo at #10 in 2008 was as close as we got, and that was the year we would have had 2 1st rounders but for SpyGate. Drop some crazy monster DLineman or can't miss LB on the Pats....
And yeah, trying not to underestimate the stupidity of most NFL owners, GMs, and the like. Incredibly stupid, and when you think they can't get worse, they take it as a challenge. That's how the Pats have gotten where they are: Owner isn't stupid, and also stays out of the way. Has smart coach and personnel department, and lets them do their jobs. Eventually, the other teams will do something stupid, just gotta hang out and wait for it. I kinda miss Al Davis, he owes the Pats a couple more gimme picks for retreads!
#3 overall would be insane, though, really can't imagine that going there. Browns with #13 just feels like a nice big return without being completely crazy (it's very high, obviously, but QB being everything, nothing in the draft, blah blah blah, you can see them taking that shot if they think JG is the guy).
Also, can't imagine the Pats getting the #3 pick after winning the Super Bowl. It would be borderline unfair, and I'm sure Roger would have to investigate them for SOMETHING to slow that down. Haven't picked in the top few spots since Seymour in 2001. Mayo at #10 in 2008 was as close as we got, and that was the year we would have had 2 1st rounders but for SpyGate. Drop some crazy monster DLineman or can't miss LB on the Pats....
Word around the league is that the Bears' plan is to fork out $14MM+ for Mike Glennon and the deal is pretty much done.
Reminder that Glennon once lost a quarterback competition to Josh McCown.
If this is the guy that Pace and John Fox are going to hitch their job security to, just resign already because you're fucked. At that price, considering Cutler has no guaranteed money left on his deal, you're unironically better off keeping him no matter how much Fox hates him. I mean, think about it: The Jets were the other team in on Glennon. If you're Ryan Pace and you thought Mike Glennon was a good target, wouldn't the news that the Jets were the only other team nearly as interested in him give you some serious self-doubt?
Reminder that Glennon once lost a quarterback competition to Josh McCown.
If this is the guy that Pace and John Fox are going to hitch their job security to, just resign already because you're fucked. At that price, considering Cutler has no guaranteed money left on his deal, you're unironically better off keeping him no matter how much Fox hates him. I mean, think about it: The Jets were the other team in on Glennon. If you're Ryan Pace and you thought Mike Glennon was a good target, wouldn't the news that the Jets were the only other team nearly as interested in him give you some serious self-doubt?
Yeah, but Lovie Smith wouldn't know a QB if Joe Montana bit him on the ass. Not sure Glennon is worth $14 million a year, but he can't be any worse than Jay Cutler, and the Bears are likely going to have to overpay to get anyone to go to Chicago.
If you're in a rebuilding year (considering you're letting one of the best receivers in the league walk, and you're talking to fucking Cordarelle Patterson about signing), why do you sign a complete goober when you literally owe no guaranteed money to the best quarterback that the Bears have ever had? It's not like Cutler was ever a late-era Favre, when he just threw the ball wherever and didn't give a shit.
If you want a bridge quarterback, you hang onto Cutler. Glennon isn't going to teach anything to anyone.
I think Cutler's poisoned the well in Chicago, he has a don't-give-a-fuck attitude and that won't fly with John Fox. I'm honestly surprised he lasted as long as he did as a Bear.
As long as they don't sink too much guaranteed money into the Glennon contract, that $14 million a year number won't hurt too bad as a bridge until they find someone to be the franchise.
The Browns prove W.C. Fields right about a sucker being born every minute by trading for Brock Osweiler (and his full contract) and a 2nd round pick from the Texans. They also traded later round 2017 picks.
Alshon Jeffery is now an Eagle.
Alshon Jeffery is now an Eagle.
If some other team will take him, then they'd be the suckers. At this point, the Texans are 100% out from under that contract and all it really cost them was the draft pick.
Most times a team wants to dump a guy like that, they end up eating most or all of the contract.
The Browns have like $109 million in cap space and they've stated their intent is to continue hoarding draft picks, Belichick-style, because in a league where everyone has a shit-ton of cap space, early-round draft picks are more valuable than ever. Taking on the Osweiler contract and then cutting him has no meaningful effect upon their ability to spend -- which is key to keep in mind because the Browns are consistently unable to attract free agents, so they have to build through the draft.
It's a win for both teams: Houston gets out of one of the worst contracts in history and the Browns get another pick.
It's a win for both teams: Houston gets out of one of the worst contracts in history and the Browns get another pick.
Yeah, while it's a NBA-style trade, and may get shut down in the future, it was worth burning extra cap space to just buy a pick, I suppose. And doesn't stop them from doing anything else, so what's the down side? if they go after a real QB, either in the draft or trade, Brock can back them up or hold down the fort for a year, no biggie. Also rumored that they can eat half his salary or so and then trade him for another mid-round pick, so means they'd eat less money and get ANOTHER pick out of it, so again, what's the down side?
Given what crappy or untested QBs are getting, no reason they couldn't eat 10M and get an ok return if he had a 6M salary attached to him instead of 16M.
Or (rumor I enjoy more) they're loading up on draft picks so they can try again to overwhelm the Patriots for Jimmy G. Either the boatload of 2nd rounders that Belichick would cream his pants over, or soften the blow of losing a 1st rounder by having a bunch of 2nd round picks to make instead. Rumors keep bouncing back and forth between 'Browns keep trying to chip away at the Patriots and get something done' and 'no way Pats will trade him even for 4 1st rounders' (which is dumb, but whatever)
Given what crappy or untested QBs are getting, no reason they couldn't eat 10M and get an ok return if he had a 6M salary attached to him instead of 16M.
Or (rumor I enjoy more) they're loading up on draft picks so they can try again to overwhelm the Patriots for Jimmy G. Either the boatload of 2nd rounders that Belichick would cream his pants over, or soften the blow of losing a 1st rounder by having a bunch of 2nd round picks to make instead. Rumors keep bouncing back and forth between 'Browns keep trying to chip away at the Patriots and get something done' and 'no way Pats will trade him even for 4 1st rounders' (which is dumb, but whatever)
Not a bad deal between the Bears and Mike Glennon. Small signing bonus makes the deal easy to get out of if it doesn't work out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/03/10/mike-glennon-bears-contract/99000980/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/03/10/mike-glennon-bears-contract/99000980/
On the money side, sure I guess. What's the imagined upside on the actual performance, though? Cheap-ish contract for a middling performer.
Real question: why's any of that better than just playing Cutler? Lot of churn to get a worse QB under center, and QB wasn't really the problem in the first place. Wasn't going to win it all by himself, but needed to work on other positions first
Real question: why's any of that better than just playing Cutler? Lot of churn to get a worse QB under center, and QB wasn't really the problem in the first place. Wasn't going to win it all by himself, but needed to work on other positions first
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