Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha
That doesn't seem to be true, because you seemed to agree with basis of the comment (don't complain about a rule that just benefited you a couple years ago), but still got several long-winded diatribes from you to get there. If it just boils down to agreeing or disagreeing, you could have saved a lot of electronic paper and just said so
I guess I separate 'new' fan from 'bandwagon' fan to some degree. It's ok to be NEW. It's not anyone's fault that they weren't born in 1842 and didn't help you invent football, so they'll always be new to you. You were born when you were born, or moved somewhere new, or discovered a sport at a certain time, all valid things. The guy that's a Yankees/Cowboys/Lakers/Canadiens fan? He's just a front-running bandwagon fan, can't help him. He's probably also an asshole
You should at least try and stick to a geographic area for teams, and not just be a fan of whoever is winning at the time.
Where I make the distinction between new fan and bandwagon fan is what you do from there. Are you learning more about the franchise and its history, or just riding the bus while they're good? Do you know that they existed prior to when you got into them, and are you aware of anything that happened then? Or is it more about being part of the group feeling, waving at other people with #12 jerseys, being seen with your bedazzled pink Red Sox hat, checking in on Facebook and then getting trashed on $9 beers? If they suck for a couple years, are you still following them, or did you pick something new and trendy? One of those groups gets more of my respect than the other, whether you judge that right or wrong.
When you boil it all down, still at the same point: I made the 'new fan' criticism because that's how the comment was interpreted by me. They complained about a crappy team getting into the playoffs, plus getting a home game, because they won a division. 5 years ago, right before the Seahawks bandwagon took off, the Seahawks won a crappy division at 7-9 and made the playoffs, had a home game. Guess I took a leap and assumed that they hadn't been following their team that long or didn't know much about it if they could make that comment and not follow it through to realize they had JUST be beneficiaries of the thing being complained about.
Wasn't about some fans' opinions being more or less valid than others. Not only is that your strawman, it's actually an argument you've used against ME several times. Your opinion being more valid because you've been alive longer than I have. My only piece here is that if you want to discuss, you should have some awareness about your own team. Or if you only follow casually, that's ok too, but please don't go all superfan when they start to do well if you didn't care earlier
That doesn't seem to be true, because you seemed to agree with basis of the comment (don't complain about a rule that just benefited you a couple years ago), but still got several long-winded diatribes from you to get there. If it just boils down to agreeing or disagreeing, you could have saved a lot of electronic paper and just said so
I guess I separate 'new' fan from 'bandwagon' fan to some degree. It's ok to be NEW. It's not anyone's fault that they weren't born in 1842 and didn't help you invent football, so they'll always be new to you. You were born when you were born, or moved somewhere new, or discovered a sport at a certain time, all valid things. The guy that's a Yankees/Cowboys/Lakers/Canadiens fan? He's just a front-running bandwagon fan, can't help him. He's probably also an asshole
You should at least try and stick to a geographic area for teams, and not just be a fan of whoever is winning at the time. Where I make the distinction between new fan and bandwagon fan is what you do from there. Are you learning more about the franchise and its history, or just riding the bus while they're good? Do you know that they existed prior to when you got into them, and are you aware of anything that happened then? Or is it more about being part of the group feeling, waving at other people with #12 jerseys, being seen with your bedazzled pink Red Sox hat, checking in on Facebook and then getting trashed on $9 beers? If they suck for a couple years, are you still following them, or did you pick something new and trendy? One of those groups gets more of my respect than the other, whether you judge that right or wrong.
When you boil it all down, still at the same point: I made the 'new fan' criticism because that's how the comment was interpreted by me. They complained about a crappy team getting into the playoffs, plus getting a home game, because they won a division. 5 years ago, right before the Seahawks bandwagon took off, the Seahawks won a crappy division at 7-9 and made the playoffs, had a home game. Guess I took a leap and assumed that they hadn't been following their team that long or didn't know much about it if they could make that comment and not follow it through to realize they had JUST be beneficiaries of the thing being complained about.
Wasn't about some fans' opinions being more or less valid than others. Not only is that your strawman, it's actually an argument you've used against ME several times. Your opinion being more valid because you've been alive longer than I have. My only piece here is that if you want to discuss, you should have some awareness about your own team. Or if you only follow casually, that's ok too, but please don't go all superfan when they start to do well if you didn't care earlier
