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NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? What?

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Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

Jedi_Master said:
I think the Pats will go 15-1 because Belicheck will duct tape Brady and Gronk to the bench in week 17 so that they can be healthy for the playoffs and thus the Dolphins will be able to beat them 9 - 8 (if you're counting that 4 safeties allowed by the Dolphins)

Sorry Yanks, Zombie Rothlisberger isn't going to be able to lead your team to the playoffs, not with the Seahawks, Bengals, and Broncos looming on your schedule.
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Gonna be tough for sure. We have a little better chance than last year because we have Williams. .. but, whew - what a schedule.

I still remain cautiously frustrated with my team. We beat frakin undefeated Arizona, and lose to winless Baltimore. We "should" have beaten Cincy as well, but pissed away that game too... you just never know what team is going to show up or what new way the clock can be mismanaged...

I'll be waiving by towel... and drinking many brewskys in sorrow I think :D
 
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Scout101 said:
If he isn't #1, he's gotta be a 1a or 1b at worst.
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In the modern era, post-1985 or so (maybe even post-1990), I'll definitely give you that, but it's impossible to say he's the greatest coach of all time when the game as played in 2015 is so completely different from when it was played in the '60s and '70s, and in the '20s and '30s.
 
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Yeah, not a good one. And they were sensitive to the backlash on that one, as Brady got a long hard look from the refs after the Bills got a (clean) pop in on his chin and whipped him back.

As for the Steelers? no. Can't say I'd really want to face them in the playoffs, but they aren't making a run. Tough stretch coming up, will see what they look like after this.

And it's because I'm a jerk sometimes, but I'm enjoying the Deflategate Karma tour this year. Pretty much anyone who spoke out against the Pats, or was actively involved in it, is having a terrible year. Injuries, bad luck, mediocre play, teams just not working. Ravens have just been decimated, and now Flacco out for a year. Colts disintegrating, Luck hurt, coach on the outs. Giants turned it around a bit, but have struggled. Cowboys have had their own injury issues (but mostly back now), we'll see if they can recover. Texans' owner got in on it, check out their season.

Know it's nothing but bad luck, but entertaining in its own right. Mostly just an injury-plagued season all around, Pats haven't been much luckier than anyone else in that area. Superbowl could just be last man standing...
 
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Timby said:
Scout101 said:
If he isn't #1, he's gotta be a 1a or 1b at worst.
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In the modern era, post-1985 or so (maybe even post-1990), I'll definitely give you that, but it's impossible to say he's the greatest coach of all time when the game as played in 2015 is so completely different from when it was played in the '60s and '70s.
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Completely agree, which is why I went with the 1a/1b thing. Like HoF and baseball, just so hard to compare the eras. But where the fun is as a fan. You can say you'd rather have Lombardi over Belichick and not be wrong, but could probably argue the other way as well, so that's where the fun is.

Good when you get out of the 'one of the good ones right now' and start to jump into the greatest of all time debates. Tough to translate the eras, but worthy of debate, recognizing the greatness of all involved.

coaching feels like it might translate better than players, though. feel like if belichick was coaching in the 60s, he'd probably still do just fine. Different approach to team building, but he'd have been there to play that game as well. Can't say I watched Lombardi coach to go the other way, but can't see why he wouldn't beat up on the sub-mensa crowd coaching today. Outside of the Ryan twins, not like coaches have gotten much bigger and can't compete with the older, smaller ones ;)

Players are where it's harder. QBs have maybe a little more comparability, but even then, tough. At least Montana and Brady played in similar, somewhat close eras, so there's more in common there. If Montana played in the 50s, tough to have that talk.

Like basketball. Is Lebron the best ever? Wouldn't most say Jordan instead? Feel like you could pick Bird and not be wrong, or Bill Russell has more rings than all of them combined and was no slouch himself. Basketball has changed so much that it's VERY hard to compare, even with those eras being closer together. Hard to imagine a version of the game where any of them are bad, though.

Digression, but just fun discussion
 
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Timby said:
Scout101 said:
If he isn't #1, he's gotta be a 1a or 1b at worst.
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In the modern era, post-1985 or so (maybe even post-1990), I'll definitely give you that, but it's impossible to say he's the greatest coach of all time when the game as played in 2015 is so completely different from when it was played in the '60s and '70s, and in the '20s and '30s.
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Yes. G.O.A.T discussions usually fall apart when you start considering all the historical changes to the sport, and to the concept of physical fitness in general.
 
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Jedi_Master said:
Timby said:
Scout101 said:
If he isn't #1, he's gotta be a 1a or 1b at worst.
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In the modern era, post-1985 or so (maybe even post-1990), I'll definitely give you that, but it's impossible to say he's the greatest coach of all time when the game as played in 2015 is so completely different from when it was played in the '60s and '70s, and in the '20s and '30s.
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Yes. G.O.A.T discussions usually fall apart when you start considering all the historical changes to the sport, and to the concept of physical fitness in general.
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For sure, but like I said, fun as a fan. Don't think anyone can deny we're seeing one of the best here.

Again, coaches may translate a little better than players, but agree that things have changed so much over the years. Sometimes the player would probably translate, other times they wouldn't even make the practice squad, or would be carried off on a stretcher on the first snap.

Defenses today would smother the greatest offenses of the past, and the best defenses of the past would probably suffocate under a sea of yellow flags. And free agency would probably mean those guys that all looked amazing as a unit couldn't stay together that long anyway, or would have been drafted to 5 different teams, so...

So while there's maybe no right answer to GOAT, you can at least have fun with the question. There are plenty of WRONG answers to the question, though. :)
 
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I definitely subscribe the Bill Simmons 'pyramid' approach to the HoF thinking. Should be some levels. Either 3 or 5, whatever, but your general 'damned good player/coach' level, guy did good things for a long time, or great things for a shorter window. Gets those 'counting stats' guys in, and recognizes the worthy careers of guys that did it at a high level for a long time. Plenty of guys here, but for examples, if you feel Namath belongs at all, this is where he goes. Did Brett Favre get in because of brilliance or longevity? Can debate him for tier 1 or tier 2, depending.

Tier 2 'Superstar' level, where you're really getting into the transcendent performances, guys you'd pick for your team in a heartbeat. Guys who were VERY good, possibly for a long time. Not the guy that you'd pick if you only had one draft pick, but you'd be good rolling out with him on the roster, he was great. I'd put Manning here. Excellent player, better than tier 1, but not in the best ever discussion. Not your top pick if you got any one player in his prime. Feels like a good spot for Marino. Not sure of the best example of a 2/3 guy, probably some older examples that would fit. Either way, MOST of the greats that get out of tier 1 would go here. Ellway, Bradshaw (is he the borderline guy maybe? Or maybe just one of the winners in the tier 2 discussion?)

And then the Tier 3 GOAT level. Can argue which one you'd take, who would beat whom heads-up, but the guys you can't have a valid Greatest of All Time discussion without mentioning. The appropriate place for Montana vs. Brady discussions. Can make a point for one or the other, but if you got first pick and took either, you're doing just fine. If the guy you're discussing isn't a hard call against the other guys, he's not really t3. Should be very small company, less than you can count on one hand. And you should know who they are at a deep level. Possible some fall back into t2 as things move on over time, others may have such a lock that they never move out.

Just love the extra bit of discussion this sort of thing would give. And kinda makes for fun at the HoF, too. Simmons suggested actually making it pyramid shaped, but even with just floors by level is entertaining. Or just walking through the tiers laid out flat, you start with the guys that are in and slowly get towards the GOATs in the inner sanctum sorta thing.

Dunno, kinda wandering here, but just enjoy the discussion.
 
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Bill Simmons pyramid shaped HOF is one of the best, if not the best idea he has ever had.
 
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Not sure if that's in favor of it or mocking him, but I agree either way :)

Although I got some friends together and have run a full version of his Man of the Year competition too, that was a good time...
 
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At this point I'm rooting for the Patriots to go 19 - 0. It's the only thing I've not seen in the NFL yet and it would be fun to watch that celebration. Gotta believe that would put the Montana vs. Brady debate to bed and cement Brady as the GOAT. Though I believe winning one more Super Bowl ought to do that anyways. My personal opinion is that Brady is already the GOAT.
 
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It would certainly be an achievement. Dunno if my heart can take it, though, and it would be crushing to go 18-1 again, especially if it's a late-game turn. Ugh. If the other superbowl team promises to lay down and let the Pats win by like 40, I'm on board, though :)
 
Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

Tis the Thanksgiving season and I have to ask the question again.

Why the hell are the Lions still getting featured in a prime game like this every year? They suck and have done for many years.

The Cowboys are better, but aren't really "America's team" anymore.

If they aren't going to feature good teams, why not rotate every year.
 
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Why do Americans sit around and eat a tasteless bird?

Tradition.
 
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If the bird is tasteless, you're doing it wrong.

Everybody can choose what traditions they want to follow, but the NFL forces the Lions on us in a way. Sure we can watch something else.

I would prefer a better slate of games.
 
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Damn! Condolences to Dallas fans. Romo just got his collar bone badly injured, possibly broken again for the third time and in the exact same way as before, getting crushed sideways. Out for the season, no doubt. His career may be in question at this point, I'm guessing.

Dallas looking really bad in general tonight. At least the Skins managed to put double digits on the board with the Panthers last week. This is just flat-out embarrassing. Jerry Jones must be shitting his thousand dollar Armani's right now.

Update: spoke too soon. Dallas did a little bounce-back and scored a TD w/ conversion. Probably got a little wind in the sails after Romo walked off but couldn't get above 14 to Panther's 33. A valiant effort, though...
 
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2 blowouts so far, and the Bears @ Green Bay later. Odds of 3 blowouts?
 
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A man who knows his season is done.
 
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