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NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? What?

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Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

I set the part of your post that I was specifically addressing in bold text. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl after the Tuck Rule game so that alone hardly set the franchise back 15 years. What started the team on the downward spiral was losing Rich Gannon to a neck injury.

It always felt like their decline happened right when Gruden went to Tampa Bay.
 
Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

I set the part of your post that I was specifically addressing in bold text. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl after the Tuck Rule game so that alone hardly set the franchise back 15 years. What started the team on the downward spiral was losing Rich Gannon to a neck injury.

It always felt like their decline happened right when Gruden went to Tampa Bay.

That was also roughly around the time period that Al Davis began showing signs of significant mental degradation.

Of course, his son doesn't appear to be operating on a plane of sanity, given his haircut.
 
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No, something seriously wrong there
 
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I wonder if Detroit Tigers owner Mike Ilitch is related to the Davis'.
 
Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

I set the part of your post that I was specifically addressing in bold text. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl after the Tuck Rule game so that alone hardly set the franchise back 15 years. What started the team on the downward spiral was losing Rich Gannon to a neck injury.

It always felt like their decline happened right when Gruden went to Tampa Bay.

That was also roughly around the time period that Al Davis began showing signs of significant mental degradation.

Of course, his son doesn't appear to be operating on a plane of sanity, given his haircut.

Exactly.

How can a guy that rich have such a bad haircut?

:shrug:

Oh, wait....

;)
 
Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

Who finish the season undefeated?

Cincinnati? The most challenging games left on their schedule are
1) Week 11 @ Arizona
2) Week 12 vs STL
3) Week 16 @ Denver

New England? The most challenging games left on their schedule are

1) Week 12 @ Denver
2) Week 17 @ Miami

Denver? The most challenging games left on their schedule are

1) Week 12 vs New England
2) Week 16 vs Cincinnati

Carolina? The most challenging games left on their schedule are

1) Week 8 vs Green Bay
2) Week 14 @Atlanta
3) Week 16 vs Atlanta

My predictions are as follows

Cincinnati finishes the season 12-4 with losses to Arizona, STL, Pittsburgh and Denver. They win the division and a wild card game (over Oakland), but lose to either Denver or New England in the division round.

New England finishes the season 14-2 with losses to Denver in week 12 and Miami in week 17.
They win their division (obviously) and go the AFC Championship game, where they lose the Denver defense and Zombie Peyton Manning

Denver finishes the season 14-2 with losses to Oakland in week 14 and San Diego in week 17 (Zombie Peyton will need rest)
They go to the Super Bowl and beat....

Carolina! Who will go undefeated, crush the Vikings and the Cardinals in the playoffs only to lose to Denver by a score of 9-3 in the first Super Bowl in decades without an offensive or defensive touchdown.
 
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And speaking of a "half-assed swipe", so what did you think, that your mentioning the Tuck Rule game would get me foaming at the mouth? :lol:
No. It was intended to highlight a specific point in time. And i mentioned the superbowl appearance the following year (had completely forgotten that at first, but said it pretty clearly when I readdressed it). That seemed to be the time period when the Raiders went from formidable team and contender to their current state, I'd just glossed over in my mind that there was one more year of good play first.
Your mind also apparently glossed over the fact that we lost the best quarterback the Raiders had since Jim Plunkett after the 2003 season. Lets see how the Pats will look after they lose Brady. It's not like the Pats were some big time winner before Brady, right?
My bad. Not sure it overly affects my point, though. They're 4-3 thus far, we'll see how that pans out. They certainly look a little better, but they've hit as high as 8-8 since then superbowl (twice), so still long way to go to get back on the winning season run.
Had you written the above instead of this:
Tuck Rule set them back 15 years (so far, not done yet) at least, still haven't bounced back...
...it might have saved you looking like a hater, an unobservant hater.

I've been an NFL fan for many many years and if it's one thing I've learned it's temper you expectations especially with young teams, thus my hope of just an 8-8 season. But this team with it's cadre of young talent on both sides of the ball with an 8-8 record is, I believe, going to be different from our other 8-8 teams of the last 10 years or so.
One last thing; I didn't think my "swipe" was half assed at all. ;)
Ok, it certainly makes things easier when you just admit it was trolling, saves a lot of effort. Thanks! :techman:
My challenge to you remains. Lets see if you're man enough to admit you were wrong about the Raiders if they make you eat the words in your original post on the subject.
 
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Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

I set the part of your post that I was specifically addressing in bold text. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl after the Tuck Rule game so that alone hardly set the franchise back 15 years. What started the team on the downward spiral was losing Rich Gannon to a neck injury.

It always felt like their decline happened right when Gruden went to Tampa Bay.

That was also roughly around the time period that Al Davis began showing signs of significant mental degradation.

Of course, his son doesn't appear to be operating on a plane of sanity, given his haircut.
Alidar, you're absolutely right. Losing Gruden was actually the first step toward our decline. Losing Gannon was second.

I don't know much about Al's overall health in those years after 2003, but he definitely showed mental degradation in the way he ran the team. Jamarcus Russell anyone?

As for Mark Davis and that hair...good lord. :lol:
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong. You guys got some compensatory picks for Gruden, right? Do you remember who you drafted?
 
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These guys?

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Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

Correct me if I'm wrong. You guys got some compensatory picks for Gruden, right? Do you remember who you drafted?
Yes we did. I'de have to google to recall who we picked. Off hand though, I don't think we did much with those picks.
 
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The Raiders got Tampa Bay's 2002 1st and 2nd round picks, 2003 1st round pick, and 2004 2nd round pick.

After some trading around, in 2002 they drafted Phillip Buchanon in the 1st and Langston Walker in the 2nd. In 2003 they used the 1st round pick on Tyler Brayton--immediately after using their own pick at #31 to draft Nnamdi Asomugha, and they used the 2004 pick on Jake Grove.
 
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Yikes. That's 2 firsts and 2 seconds, huh?

And again, tough to be proven wrong in the future when the bulk of the comment was about the past. And not an Okaland Hater. It's worse than that, if you're hated, you matter. They've been irrelevant since 2002. There's no personal emotion from me either way on this one. They just exist. On the contrary, slight warm feelings, as we've benefitted from some of their mistakes (Moss, Seymore). They have been trade partners a few times. Either said in the first post or the response, it would be GOOD if they were decent again. NFL needs more decent teams, the league has no middle class right now. Like 6 good teams, then garbage mostly. Would be happy for the Taiders to make a run. Revitalize the franchise, and give Manning some competition for the division out there.

But you seem happier puffing out your chest and commenting on my masculinity, enjoy that...
 
Re: NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? Wha

The Raiders got Tampa Bay's 2002 1st and 2nd round picks, 2003 1st round pick, and 2004 2nd round pick.

After some trading around, in 2002 they drafted Phillip Buchanon in the 1st and Langston Walker in the 2nd. In 2003 they used the 1st round pick on Tyler Brayton--immediately after using their own pick at #31 to draft Nnamdi Asomugha, and they used the 2004 pick on Jake Grove.
Phillip Buchannon. He was a typical Al Davis pick in the 2000's; very talented but not much of a football player. All those picks could have revitalized the franchise if used properly. Instead we got one good player out of the whole thing.

Had our current management team been in charge back then, we might be having an entirely different conversation about the Raiders (sigh).

Yikes. That's 2 firsts and 2 seconds, huh?

And again, tough to be proven wrong in the future when the bulk of the comment was about the past. And not an Okaland Hater. It's worse than that, if you're hated, you matter. They've been irrelevant since 2002. There's no personal emotion from me either way on this one. They just exist. On the contrary, slight warm feelings, as we've benefitted from some of their mistakes (Moss, Seymore). They have been trade partners a few times. Either said in the first post or the response, it would be GOOD if they were decent again. NFL needs more decent teams, the league has no middle class right now. Like 6 good teams, then garbage mostly. Would be happy for the Taiders to make a run. Revitalize the franchise, and give Manning some competition for the division out there.
Glad to see you backing off the initial little passive-aggressive barbs thrown in response to my post pointing out the Raiders' apparent improvement on and off the field.

But to clarify, the Pats wren't the only team that may have benefited from Raider mistakes during the Al Davis era. Moss and Seymour, however, weren't "mistakes", at least not from the Raiders' standpoint. Seymour filled a desperate need and he played very well for us. Moss was still a talented player but one whose skills we were not equipped to take advantage of during his time in Oakland.

And BTW, I share your feelings of warmth toward other teams in the league. Considering the Raiders overall record, no doubt we've been the beneficiaries of plenty of "mistakes" made by teams around the league, including most probably, your Patriots.
But you seem happier puffing out your chest and commenting on my masculinity, enjoy that...
Oh, I definitely am. :lol:
 
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we've been the beneficiaries of plenty of "mistakes" made by teams around the league, including most probably, your Patriots.

I'll bite: name one
 
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Well, at least the Skins/Pats game wasn't the unmitigated blowout that everyone (myself included) expected it would be. A few missteps, obviously, but at least they stayed awake through most of the game. Not really all that disappointed with the outcome.
 
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It certainly started out that way, but the Pats made a few mistakes of their own and couldn't close out a few drives. The Lewis injury hurt, plus losing another OT to suspected concussion.

After the first couple drives, that game was shaping up to be 100-0. Redskins were dropping everything, missing guys, not pretty. Glad they got back in the game at little.
 
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Beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh would have been a nice win for the Raiders and a big step forward. But I'm not complaining. We are no longer a team who, if you wait around long enough, will find a way to beat itself.

We made some uncharacteristic (for this season) mistakes, but still were in a position to win. At this point, I'm not going to quibble. We're still on track. On to the next challenge.
 
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Well... I guess splashy free agent contracts, ignoring your offensive and defensive depth, and giving way too much money to mediocre QB's isn't a good way to achieve success in the NFL.

Who knew?

I wish Miami could get the ownership their dedicated and intensely loyal fans deserve.

Ain't happening anytime soon.
 
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