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NF: Treason discussion thread (SPOILER)

Finally found a copy and read it. Readable, sometimes enjoyable, but overall, nothing spectacular. From my blog, and hidden for length:

Another New Frontier novel, another mix of comic book and soap opera. There are a few big developments here, but between PAD's writing style and events in other recent Trek novels, I don't think they had the resonance they should have.

Let's see... we get a character obsessed with a child's health and safety running off in a spaceship while under the influence of a mindstate that occasionally happens to their species, though we've never heard of it before. Okay, so Selar's obsessed with Xy's wellbeing and runs off with Robin Lefler's baby instead, but still, there's an echo of Doctor Ree's actions in Over a Torrent Sea.

There's a death of a regular character. Unfortunately, Selar's death is barely registering online, with all the craziness following Janeway's. She's one of relatively few NF regulars who actually appeared onscreen, and she was played by Suzie Plakson, so I for one am disappointed that she was killed off, and in a generic manner: screws up and puts someone at risk, sacrifices self to remove other person(s) from risk. That, at least, doesn't echo the Ree storyline.

Speaking of death, the late Si Cwan is back. His sister Kalinda was seeing visions of him but now he's taken over her body. There's no explanation, just a lot of "some people understand that there's more to all this than other people understand" stuff. His purpose in the plot is to psychically sense where his newborn son's been abducted to, and to put his widow through a lot of emotional hell. There must have been ways to structure the plot so that the NF regulars figure out where to go without a lot of mystical woowoo. (No, I didn't like the katra stuff in the movies either.)

And the book ends with hints of another big conspiracy involving at least one Starfleet admiral -- and, considering it involves aliens who can appear to be other people, there's an echo of the Founders. With everything that's been going on in the Trekverse, I'd have thought it would make more sense for PAD to focus on his Thallonian sandbox. Not that he's ever really developed Thallonian society and culture to any great extent.

Speaking of the conspiracy, once the story reaches the planet where the mysterious aliens who want Cwan and Lefler's baby are, we're solidly in comic book territory. One of the things that's always bugged me up about comic book writers is their tendency to take an ordinary word that means something related to something that needs a name -- a person, a planet, whatever -- and spell it funny. So here we have the D'myurj (i.e., Demiurge). The aliens who claim to uplift species, to guide them from corporeal to incorporeal existence, have the same name as the evil creator of the physical universe in gnosticism. Their foot soldiers, the Brethren, are described in a way that led me to think of Doctor Who's Sontarans, complete with probic vents, though there were a few key differences as well. But the action scenes felt more like comic book action than Star Trek action.

PAD is known for his dialogue, and it's obvious that he works on it -- not so much to give characters unique voices as to have characters provide setups for punchlines. There were a few times I thought, that's not what a real person would say in that situation, but if they'd said something else, no punchline. It's the sort of thing that can work when it's seamless and not overused. Not the case here. The fact that the characters don't have unique voices is highlighted by one paragraph in which PAD seemed to forget who's speaking. I wish I'd made a note of the page number, but there's a paragraph of dialogue that's obviously by Character A, but it ends something like "'... blah blah blah?' Character B asked." I vaguely recall another conversation between two characters where several lines aren't attributed, but when a character is finally named, if you read back to the last time a character was named, it should have been the other one.

All that said, there is some suspense, some humour that works, plenty of action, and the numerous regular characters, divided between New Thallon, the Excalibur, Trident, the Spectre, the Lyla, and Bravo Station, all have parts to play, which should make fans happy. If you usually like the New Frontier books, chances are you'll like this just fine.
 
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^Interesting you were reminded of the Sontarans for the foot soldiers. For me, I pictured an army of Iron Man/Men. Maybe it's because I was watching the movie recently.
 
And I pictured Anubis's Kull Warriors from Stargate SG-1. Which actually fits down to the cloned bodies if I remember right. Though the Kulls did have glowing eyes and probably no vents.
 
If the following reads familiar, it's a copy of what I have posted on another site.

Well my darling husband picked this up for me last night and I finished it about an hour ago. It was a good read, a quick read. I would have liked something a bit "meatier" perhaps, especially after the long wait. It felt like it was really starting to get somewhere then the book ended.
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ETA: I wonder if PAD is EVER going to address the relationship dynamics between Calhoun, Shelby, Moke & Xyon? Maybe it's the Counsellor training in me, but as much as I love the Calhoun/Shelby marriage, can we please start seeing them working on the bloody thing and addressing the various issues? SOmething more/deeper to their relationship than a quick nookie every so often?

After all this time, surely Shelby should have some sort of relationship with her step-sons! 'Cause the way it's going, it's all going to end in tears. I don't want to see that.

Plus, I think that Shelby is getting short shrift in the last few stories. This character was the hook for me to get into NF. Putting her in charge of Bravo Station has effectively reduced her from an important main character, to a peripheral secondary bit character. I feel no sense of anticipation for the next book.


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I have the feeling that Shelby has no relationship whatsoever with Xyon and Moke. They both live with her husband and they have probably not even met her.

Treason was concentrating on other characters which is fine with me. It was a good book but I agree, it is time to have a story featuring Calhoun and Shelby including exploring their relationship.
 
Re: NF: Treason discussion thread (SPOILER and earlier NF books)

I have the feeling that Shelby has no relationship whatsoever with Xyon and Moke. They both live with her husband and they have probably not even met her.

Treason was concentrating on other characters which is fine with me. It was a good book but I agree, it is time to have a story featuring Calhoun and Shelby including exploring their relationship.

We know they have. "The Quiet Place" for one of them and "Restoration" for the other.
 
Re: NF: Treason discussion thread (SPOILER and earlier NF books)

I agree that it would be nice to have some focus on the Calhoun/Shelby relationship, especially in regards to Moke and Xyon. It's probably less feasible in the regards to Xyon even though Calhoun now knows he's alive, but Moke has been mostly forgotten since the whole Being Human/Gods Above situation which is a terrible pity. I want to see more of him and his relationship with Calhoun other than general musings of Moke hating Calhoun.
 
Re: NF: Treason discussion thread (SPOILER and earlier NF books)

I have the feeling that Shelby has no relationship whatsoever with Xyon and Moke. They both live with her husband and they have probably not even met her.

Treason was concentrating on other characters which is fine with me. It was a good book but I agree, it is time to have a story featuring Calhoun and Shelby including exploring their relationship.

We know they have. "The Quiet Place" for one of them and "Restoration" for the other.

You are right. It has been a while since I read these books. Nevertheless, unless I am very mistaken I don`t think there is a real relationship between Shelby and Calhoun`s sons.

I also hope to read especially more about Moke in the next book.
 
wow

This was best NF book in years. I'm hoping that Lefler will find a way to stay on board. Then again her mother on board in her current slightly off kilter state could be a problem.

I can't wait for the next one
 
The Calhoun/Shelby story is becoming frustrating (and not just to them ;)).
Seriously, as far as that goes, they are really still dancing the same steps that they have been since almost the beginning. There seems to be no growth.

I certainly don't get s sense of them growing together.
 
Well there was the question of future babies and I suspect Shelby's answer was not her genuine one.
 
^ I think that was a given, but do you think Calhoun would be interested in having more Kids? Or more seriously, with other SF wives pregnant/giving birth will Pocket Books want another couple having children?
 
Well there was the question of future babies and I suspect Shelby's answer was not her genuine one.


I'mnot just referring to that. It just seems to me like the relationship is a quick occasional nookie then back to their separate lives. The only difference between them being married or not, would be that should one pre-decease the other, the survivor would be able to access the deceased spouse's superannuation and etc without too much trouble.
 
Well there was the question of future babies and I suspect Shelby's answer was not her genuine one.

Why not? Why would she lie to a (especially a female) friend about this? Or do you think she's lying to herself?

It's a little fuzzy in my head and I don't have the book handy, but didn't she say that she would like to have children when she was talking to Robin, but she then said 'no' to Calhoun after he said he wasn't looking to have kids?
 
I think it was suggested after she said No to Calhoun that she was just saying that as that was what he said. That was the impression I got when reading it.
 
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