DISC is pegged at about $8 mil per episode. Not the most expensive but certainly near the top.
Next year’s ‘Star Trek’ reboot may have naked aliens and swearing, CBS digital chief says
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It is just ludicrous for someone to say NBC or Paramount or CBS haven't been after the big return before now. Paramount's eyes lit up when Star Wars went big, and they shifted from the Star Trek II TV series to TMP.
And shifted back to low budget as soon as TMP failed to hit like Star Wars. TMP was 40 million, Khan was 12 I think. And that was with retooling the look and repainting the ship because of matte issues. And they complained about doing a sequel at all since the first was considered a flop.
TNG was ambitious budget-wise but not compared to DSC even adjusting for inflation.
All the TNG films were low budget too comparatively.
Because I was able to watch Trek when I was a kid. I would like for other kids to enjoy a show like that. I'm not even saying make it like it was in the earlier versions. I'm just saying everything doesn't have to be like Game of Thrones. I don't see people getting naked for Dr. Who. Sure the made it more up to date however, it's not rated R
Mentioning Doctor Who is an interesting point.
There was some outrage and 'The Gay Agenda' complaints thrown at the show, particularly when Jack kissed the Doctor. Since then we've had same sex pairings to various degrees, romance and what some Daily Mail readers would class as a bit blue (Amy).
Why is there a fear, just because someone says they have less restrictions to worry about, that suddenly Star Trek's going to become Shameless in Space? It's not. It's going to be a little bit like Doctor Who was when that panic happened. Maybe with a few extras thrown in for a more rounded and mature audience.
Just because they can do the thing, doesn't mean they must do the thing.
Common sense?!? Get that shit out of here!!!
The comparison doesn't really apply. Doctor Who introduced an LGBT character and then developed that character across 2 shows and 2 mini-series. (Davies' Dr. Who eps were my absolute favorites as was Torchwood Children of Earth). The outrage stemmed from homophobia because there's still a large chunk of humanity that are anti-LGBT. I imagine anyone interested in Star Trek does not feel that way. I certainly don't.
What's (mostly) being discussed here is concern for the integrity of Trek, if there is such a thing ( I believe there is or I wouldn't be wasting my time discussing it in a forum). The studio has already shown that it will trample on the brand a bit just to make it popular with people who don't care about Trek (7of9 and T'Pol to name 2). And that was 15 and 20 years ago. Given the current TV and film landscape, I think these are valid concerns. Speculation is harmless and will not affect the show. And it's kind of inherent when posting in a year old forum about a show that doesn't air for 5 more months.
What's (mostly) being discussed here is concern for the integrity of Trek, if there is such a thing ( I believe there is or I wouldn't be wasting my time discussing it in a forum). The studio has already shown that it will trample on the brand a bit just to make it popular with people who don't care about Trek (7of9 and T'Pol to name 2). And that was 15 and 20 years ago. Given the current TV and film landscape, I think these are valid concerns. Speculation is harmless and will not affect the show. And it's kind of inherent when posting in a year old forum about a show that doesn't air for 5 more months.
Stay here long enough and you'll find there are all sorts of people who like Star Trek. Some of whom have ideas and beliefs that would seem to be in opposition to the ideas expressed in the show.
I dont see how either character "tramples" the brand. Women in sexy clothes have been part of the brand since the first pilot. Judging by the comments expressed by some poster here, a very important part. At least T'Pol and Seven were actual characters with depth and development and not just eye candy. They had episodes and subplots that revolved around them and weren't just a collection of catch phrases and reaction shots.
I know, I'd hate for modern day 6-year-olds to not be able to watch Discovery because they're told it's a "mommy and daddy only" show. I grew up watching new episodes of DS9, Voyager and Enterprise; I want today's kids to experience this, and possibly become long-term fans.
Actually since the first series episode. Both pilots had the women in uniforms not much different than the men. No mini-skirts and smart hairstyles.
7 being an ex-borg should've been more like one of those poor bastards from the Unity episode. They had more tech and skills than Voyager yet everyone was disfigured and an amputee. I'm not saying she should have been seen to that extreme as a show regular, but the catsuit and amping up her breasts (according to Jeri herself, they were obsessed with making them bigger. Berman in particular). Kind of contradicted the tragedy of her character. Similar complaint with T'Pol. It was like they made her a vulcan and ignored everything about being Vulcan. She even got high and damaged her ability to control her emotions so they could make her more sexual. And her uniforms, same thing. But yes, at least they developed their characters to varying degrees.
I was thinking of Vina. Who pretty much played out every fantasy woman stereotype known.
And as you noted the series proper went for miniskirts. And then there are the costumes for the guest actresses. The Theiss Titillation Theory.
I can see Braga obsessing, but not Berman. IIRC, she was healed, so no reason for scars. The tragedy didn't have to be "external". I think it play out well. And I'm not even a fan of Voyager or Seven,
I find T'Pol to be one of the better Vulcan characters Better than Tuvok and the one off Vulcans we meet.
Having her be conflicted over emotions made her much more interesting than the cookie cutter one note Vulcans we see in the other Berman era shows. I don't recall her addiction and sexuality being connected. Her emotional control might have been affected, but is that really so different than Spock's own issues with emotion? Or is it only a problem when the Vulcan is a woman in a catsuit?
Sadly you imagine very wrongly. There are comments on this very forum, as well as all over the internet, that show otherwise complaining about LGBT representation as well as the usual "PC gone mad!" nonsense.
The Who comparison can't be dismissed with "development." It's not as if Discovery, or any TV show, won't have the same.
......thats absolutely baffling. Every studio, every producer, every show wants people to watch their show.
It's not exactly uncommon for Trek or anyone else to cast attractive people. 99% of shows rely on it. I'd add more to that but it's already been put down better than I would have.
"Trampling on a brand" though is the needlessly negative thing that this kind of 'revelation' breeds and a major contradition to....
Speculation is harmless and will not affect the show. And it's kind of inherent when posting in a year old forum about a show that doesn't air for 5 more months.
....when the entire topic begins with someone asking questions, a sui vaguely answering and everyone else filling in the blanks crying havoc because the vague responses clearly mean the end of all morality. Assumptions made and spread have helped form a pre-decision to hate the show. when the loyal fanbase inform the casual fanbase the shows awful before it's begun, thats not entirely harmless.
I had to walk away from a conversation about T'Pol as it was giving me a headache.
Recently rewatching Enterprise, I really began to appreciate the more raw approach, the idea of a Vulcan who didn't quite fit the mould and who was easily emotionally compromised. It added a good few layers and made her a perfect contrast to the wise elder Tuvok was (and Spock eventually became).
Alas, all they had in response was "But her boobs were ridiculous!" as if no other quality of the characterisation or the actress mattered because she had implants :/
Both Voyager and Enterprise were made by Paramount.
I watch modern day shows with my nine-year old (honor roll student). I allowed my then five-year old to play Halo back when it came out on the original Xbox (he was an honor student in high school and is a college student now). My daughter was allowed to watch quite a bit of adult fare (she owns her own home now/has a good job/in a long-term relationship). You'll find kids are able to handle a great deal if they have parents willing to discuss things with them.
I don't need stories dumbed down or kiddiefied for my children. The real world is a scary place.
That's accurate for earlier tng. By the last season the pattern budget was closer to $1.5-1.6 million. Most of the latter shows also hovered around that figure though supposedly the budget for Enterprise season 4 was cut from $1.7 million to $800k.
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It's accurate for 1987 like I already said and like the source I credited says.
Can you provide a link or a credible source like I have done?
Depends on the kid. It's a parents job to know their child and what they can and can't watch. I watched Alien with my dad at 8 and haven't watch it since, as I didn't enjoy it. My 4 year old does not enjoy Star Wars but has seen the Avengers.
I won't shelter them, per se, but I know my kids and know what they are able to take and enjoy.
I'm not dismissing anything and I guess my thoughts on Star Trek fans being more enlightened is wishful thinking more than reality. I guess I should have stated that clearly. I'm saying it's an apples and oranges comparison.
I'm talking about gratuitous, out of character objectifying for the sake of ratings. For example, Inara on Firefly was a hooker and also the most reputable member of the crew in terms of the story. I'm fine with that because it fits with the character and story. But if they had Zoe walking around showing her wares that would take us out of the story because it's not who she is. I'm also not saying attractive women shouldn't have been cast as 7 and T'Pol. Both actresses were more than competent in their roles. I'm saying having 7 dress like that contradicted the character she was portraying. Again, read the 50-year mission and you'll see this was not just my opinion. Similar with T'Pol. They objectified her too much. The actresses themselves took issue with this. Jeri Ryan didn't have implants, they built those into her costume.
I'm also not stating anything about morality. I don't believe in governing private morality beyond stating we should all be more tolerant as a species. I'm talking about the integrity of the property within the context of character and story being compromised by things like this. I'm not trolling Trek or the production.
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