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Next Picard novel: Second Self by Una McCormack, coming April 2022

I was taken to task by someone offended that a character in Available Light said "Damn it," even going so far as to tell me they now felt compelled to screen all Star Trek books at the library rather than shopping online.
Wouldn't it be easier to just use Google Books?

Anyway, the complaints I've heard about the use of swearing in Picard mostly revolve around the idea that it violates canon since The Voyage Home strongly implied that 23rd century English had evolved beyond swearing with Spock noticing that Kirk had changed his language to include profanity in order to blend in.
 
Anyway, the complaints I've heard about the use of swearing in Picard mostly revolve around the idea that it violates canon since The Voyage Home strongly implied that 23rd century English had evolved beyond swearing with Spock noticing that Kirk had changed his language to include profanity in order to blend in.

The judicious use of profanity can be highly effective emphasis. As demonstrated in both ST IV and "Picard". And IRL.
 
Anyway, the complaints I've heard about the use of swearing in Picard mostly revolve around the idea that it violates canon since The Voyage Home strongly implied that 23rd century English had evolved beyond swearing with Spock noticing that Kirk had changed his language to include profanity in order to blend in.

Riiiight, because no Trek production has ever contradicted another one before....
 
So, my 2p-worth on this discussion; I think my colleagues pretty well sum up things in their comments up-thread, and my take is much the same.

Star Trek: Picard
is a show with an adult sensibilty and as such does have some salty language within it. We are tie-in writers, so it is our duty to mirror the tone and texture of the source material our books are based upon.

That is literally the job we are employed to do, and it may mean including material that some readers may not find to their taste. So, in writing The Dark Veil, I felt it was important to reflect the style of the Picard show, and I did allow myself a little more latitude with a handful of swears. And while I may not have dropped any f-bombs (other than in the privacy of my office) in my Picard novel, I personally feel that Una's use of harsh language in The Last Best Hope was quite correct and in-line with the characters and the show.

But other than James Swallows dedication in his Picard book there was no such need to swear.

To be clear, I only allude to a swearword in that dedication, and the comment itself is an inside joke.
 
When I was younger I always thought the Trek films were a bit more 'adult' as they used words like 'bastard' and 'shit', but that seems quite tame now.
 
Yeah, Kirk saying, "Let's get the hell out of here" on a commercial network in 1967 was WAY WAY WAY WAY more controversial and "edgy" than Tilly saying, "This is so fucking cool" on a streaming service fifty years later. Star Trek has always pushed the envelope, whether in casting, story choices, costuming, or language. The notion that language is inappropriate to Trek to my mind kinda misses the point of Trek. Hell, lots of people considered it inappropriate for a white man to kiss a black woman, but Trek did that, too.
 
Hi Keith, thanks for apologizing. I meant "should" in the sense of "would like to see" but I can see how that can set someone off, especially given what happened to you, and I will be more mindful of my word choices in the future. I think any claims of mine that someone "should" be writing something else assumes they can make money from it sufficient to meet their needs!
Thank you for understanding. :fist bump:
 
Yeah, Kirk saying, "Let's get the hell out of here" on a commercial network in 1967 was WAY WAY WAY WAY more controversial and "edgy" than Tilly saying, "This is so fucking cool" on a streaming service fifty years later.

Good point. Tilly's line was only pushing the envelope for STAR TREK. People have been saying stronger stuff on cable for decades now. (Deb on DEXTER was hilariously profane.) If anything, STAR TREK was playing catch-up here, as opposed to going boldly where no other cable or streaming shows have gone before.

Heck, you can apparently say "fuck" on Lifetime and SyFy now, at least after 10 pm.
 
I have zero fucking problem with swearing, it’s all down to context, I suspect individuals who dislike it are shit out of luck with a reduction of a random fuck or shit in modern Trek.

I want Picard in season two or three to tell Q "to get off my fucking bridge, you cunt" but I suspect Amazon and Paramount will not like that particular idea.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to just use Google Books?

Anyway, the complaints I've heard about the use of swearing in Picard mostly revolve around the idea that it violates canon since The Voyage Home strongly implied that 23rd century English had evolved beyond swearing with Spock noticing that Kirk had changed his language to include profanity in order to blend in.

It wasn't just a matter of continuity. A surprising number of folks really did seem to think that profanity was a Bad Thing that had no place in Star Trek, because it was crass and crude and lowbrow and not intellectual or cultured enough, with some even arguing strenuously that, like war or poverty or prejudice, swearing was something humanity would have "evolved" beyond in Trek's shiny "utopian" future.

Because, of course, future people only quote Shakespeare and listen to Gilbert & Sullivan and would never be so plebeian as to cuss occasionally . . . :)
 
Don't tell them about all the crude, lowbrow humor in Shakespeare...

One of my great disappointments with Quirk Books' William Shakespeare's Star Wars series is the lack of dick and fart jokes. :)

I didn't realize how filthy some of the Beatles early work was until I heard Peter Sellers' cover of "A Hard Day's Night" a few years ago. Sellers does it in the style of Lawrence Olivier doing Richard III, and the innuendo really comes through in ways that it doesn't when John, Paul, George, and Ringo do it. :)
 
Good point. Tilly's line was only pushing the envelope for STAR TREK. People have been saying stronger stuff on cable for decades now. (Deb on DEXTER was hilariously profane.) If anything, STAR TREK was playing catch-up here, as opposed to going boldly where no other cable or streaming shows have gone before.

Heck, you can apparently say "fuck" on Lifetime and SyFy now, at least after 10 pm.
I was a little how many F-bombs they dropped they dropped in the last season of Wynona Earp. I knew they could use them, but I thought they were limited to one or two an episode, but they dropped them like crazy.
I doubt Amazon would have a problem. That line of dialogue wouldn't exactly be out of place on The Boys after all...
Yeah, it seems to be pretty much anything goes over at Amazon.
One of my all time favorite lines in a Trek is still Cervantes Quinn's "fuck the Prime Directive" in one of the later Vanguard books. Not because of the fact that he said fuck, but just because it was not an attitude you expect to see from a character in a Trek book, and it was a perfect line for the character.
 
That line for Cervantes Quinn at that point in that story?

Yes. Note-perfect for the occasion!
 
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