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News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

Noname Given said:
But FOX probably owns the TV rights to the character
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If FOX had the TV rights to the actual Batman, then they would've made an actual Batman show instead of a Jim Gordon prequel that tried to be as much like a Batman show as possible by tossing in every Bat-villain 15 years ahead of schedule. DC let them do a Batman-adjacent show, just like they're letting The CW do one with Batwoman and DC Universe with Titans, but the actual speaking, onscreen Batman is reserved for movies.

As I said before, my understanding is that it's not really about owning rights. It's not like the Marvel case where they licensed the rights to the X-Men and Spider-Man to different studios. There is only one studio, Warner Bros., that makes all the DC shows. They make them in partnership with the various networks and production companies, but the rights are all consolidated with DC/Warner, and DC/Warner doles out permissions for the use of its characters on a case-by-case basis.


And taht would make more sense as WB has allowed BOTH a feature film and TV version of both Superman and Flash - so 'Batman' wouldn't be an issue IF they had TV rights to the character and hadn't sold such to FOX for Gotham.
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Again, that's not how it works. They decide on a case-by-case basis. I'm sure the only reason they allowed two coexisting versions of the Flash was because the TV show came first and was already a major hit by the time they began developing the movie character in earnest. If the movie character had come first, The CW never would've been cleared to do the show. As for Superman, he's pretty much only appeared on Supergirl at times when there wasn't a Superman movie on the way. Again, the fact that Supergirl is a successful show may also mean that DC/WB are more willing to give it leeway to use the character.
 
@Christopher, your hypothesis that Gotham would have been an actual Batman television series if FOX had access to Batman himself(which they do, BTW) is incorrect.

With the exception of an increased presence for Bruce Wayne (a change made based solely on the strength of David Masouz's audition), Gotham is and has always been exactly what it was intended to be by Bruno Heller and Danny Cannon.
 
Would Bruce Wayne be considered a separate character from Batman, when it comes to showing them on TV and movies? Because Gotham is as much a Bruce Wayne show as it is a Jim Gordon show.
 
JD said:
Would Bruce Wayne be considered a separate character from Batman, when it comes to showing them on TV and movies?
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That question is inconsequential because Gotham's producers do in fact have access to depict a fully-formed Batman on the series were they so inclined.

Happy Harleydays said:
Oh, c'mon if anyone was allowed to do a proper Batman TV show in the wake of TDK trilogy they would have jumped at the chance...
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Why are you so sure of that?
 
Oh, I understand you're saying that, I just meant more in general. Theoretically if a show was not allowed to use Batman, could they still be allowed to use Bruce Wayne, as long as they don't mention his other side?
 
I was just wondering something similar. I'm wondering if a theoretical Batwoman show could have Bruce Wayne as a character but not Batman. Perhaps the reason why he gave up being Batman 3 years ago was that he physically wasn't capable and simply can't be Batman anymore. After all, that's got to be one rough life style.
 
I'm fairly certain if the show runs long enough we'll see both Bruce and Batman on Batwoman eventually.
 
JD said:
Oh, I understand you're saying that, I just meant more in general. Theoretically if a show was not allowed to use Batman, could they still be allowed to use Bruce Wayne, as long as they don't mention his other side?
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Given that Smallville couldn't get clearance to make Adam Knight be Bruce Wayne, I don't think a show could get access to Bruce but not Batman, but that's just my feeling on the matter.
 
JD said:
Yeah, I can't believe he won't be on eventually.
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It depends on what Caroline Dries' vision for the series is.

She's said that we'll learn why Bruce disappeared and where he went, but answering those questions doesn't necessarily require him to appear.
 
JD said:
Would Bruce Wayne be considered a separate character from Batman, when it comes to showing them on TV and movies? Because Gotham is as much a Bruce Wayne show as it is a Jim Gordon show.
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As I've been saying, it's not about an absolute yes/no character-rights situation as it is with Marvel characters at different studios. What Warner Bros./DC generally seems to want is to avoid having simultaneous versions of a character that are too similar to each other and would be in direct competition with each other. So it's fine for both a movie and a show to have Bruce Wayne at the same time as long as they're portraying Bruce Wayne in non-competing ways -- one as Batman, one as a young man who will become Batman. Or one where Bruce/Batman is a main character and one (or two) where he's a peripheral character who's only talked about. It's a subtler, more flexible thing than something like the MCU not getting to use Doctor Doom.
 
Christopher said:
What Warner Bros./DC generally seems to want is to avoid having simultaneous versions of a character that are too similar to each other and would be in direct competition with each other. So it's fine for both a movie and a show to have Bruce Wayne at the same time as long as they're portraying Bruce Wayne in non-competing ways -- one as Batman, one as a young man who will become Batman. Or one where Bruce/Batman is a main character and one (or two) where he's a peripheral character who's only talked about.
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Based on the examples we have, this is not what is happening.... at all.
 
Snaploud said:
Putting aside the ridiculous physics of slowing the Earth's rotation leading to time slowing down: how did slowing time help them defeat Deegan?
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It was the absolute worst part of the crossover.

They could have had the same sequence, effect, and Donner tribute with different dialougue.

Just use some speed force technobabble about immersing the world with energy from the speed force by running fast enough to create a magnetic speed force bubble around the earth or some other nonsense like that. It could still looked identical, but without world-breaking dialouge and science.
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
Speaking of Supermen... it probably won't ever ever happen, but I'd be cool to have Tom Welling fill the role of the older Earth-2 "Golden Age" Superman from the original Crisis comic.
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I'd prefer Dean Cain if they need to go that direction.....

I wouldn't mind seeing Brandon Routh play an older alt Superman with a kid, as a flashforward to what Hoechlin's character has to look forward to.
 
Actually if they want a older Superman I say go with Nick Cage. Let's really see what his take on "Superman" would have been. Assuming you can get him to do a CW show but he has done so much stuff I think you could get him fro a episode or two.


Jason
 
Of course, just because they're calling it Crisis on Infinite Earths, that doesn't mean they intend to use the same specific story beats as the original, like bringing in an older Superman. Their version of Invasion! had only a few points in common with the original comics storyline. And Marvel's movies have often used titles like Civil War and Infinity War and told stories that shared only a few broad strokes with the source comics. Plus it was a specific plot point in Elseworlds that Ollie convinced the Monitor to change Barry and Kara's fated deaths, so that's already a major divergence from the original storyline.

After all, Superman is a peripheral character in the Arrowverse, not the central character that he is in the comics. If anything, the closest Arrowverse counterpart to Earth-2 Superman -- older version of the franchise's leading superpowered hero, originating in a previous generation's narrative that was revived as a parallel Earth -- is the Flash of Earth-90. As I've suggested before, the abrupt disappearance of that Flash in Elseworlds may suggest that his story in the Arrowverse is not yet finished.

Alternatively, they could bring in a parallel-reality Supergirl, but it'd be hard to explain why she looks just like Eliza Danvers...
 
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