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So, I've already addressed and dismissed "pathological nerd literal-mindedness" as a justification to fundamentally misread the clear tone and intent of the scene. Anybody got anything else?

No it's nothing of the sort. It's just what happens in the film, like it or not.

The device removes all the powers and immunities Kryptonians have and makes them human. Clark is in there in order to make him human and remove the threat he poses to Zod and the implications of that are explained and emphasised repeatedly through the film to remove all doubt. He threw Zod off a cliff having deliberately maimed him. It was murder, plain and simple.

The whole scene, hell the whole movie, wouldn't work otherwise.
 
Superman killed Zod in Superman II in a far more brutal/cold way than he did in MoS, when he was seriously grieving after being forced to snap his neck to save that family and humanity from Zod's desire for vengance.

I don't really have a problem with neither though only MoS seems to acknowledge Clark's actions.

It's not sexist when it's true.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder but Sexism is easy to spot by all.
 
No it's nothing of the sort. It's just what happens in the film, like it or not.

The device removes all the powers and immunities Kryptonians have and makes them human. Clark is in there in order to make him human and remove the threat he poses to Zod and the implications of that are explained and emphasised repeatedly through the film to remove all doubt. He threw Zod off a cliff having deliberately maimed him. It was murder, plain and simple.

The whole scene, hell the whole movie, wouldn't work otherwise.
So the answer to "got anything else?" is "no."

The whole reason the scene is treated as a "gotcha" in arguments like this is that nobody actually thought Zod and company died, for decades, until it became useful to pretend otherwise to defend the climax of MoS.
 
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So, I've already addressed and dismissed "pathological nerd literal-mindedness" as a justification to fundamentally misread the clear tone and intent of the scene. Anybody got anything else?
Does anyone remember when Zod and friends murder in a gruesome manner the astronauts on the moon...?
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^ So the answer to "got anything else?" is "no."

The whole reason the scene is treated as a "gotcha" in arguments like this is that nobody actually thought Zod and company died, for decades, until it became useful to pretend otherwise to defend the climax of MoS.

Nothing more is needed and yes that's exactly how people saw the scene, because that's what happens in it. Simply claiming otherwise without a shred of evidence to back it is not really helping you here.

Does anyone remember when Zod and friends murder in a gruesome manner the astronauts on the moon...?
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No no, he didn't die because it was comedy don't you know?

Just like this guy, he's not dead as evidenced by the slapstick tone:
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The whole reason the scene is treated as a "gotcha" in arguments like this is that nobody actually thought Zod and company died, for decades, until it became useful to pretend otherwise to defend the climax of MoS.

I always assumed Zod died. I thought the intent was pretty clear. :shrug:

There are likely far more people who saw it that way, going all the way back to the films original release, than you care to admit.
 
Well it was quite the norm at the time, right? I mean, Bond's movies in the Roger Moore era are virtually slapstick comedies and still the bad guys die at the end...
 
Oh look! A liberal on a soap box! You're exactly the target audience for these writers. People who get offended when the writers get called out on their misandry.
People? No, it’s insecure, probably the same guys who obsess over female Ghostbuster reboots as if they’re the worst crime in history or claim men are the most oppressed minority.

But your irrelevant personal attacks aside, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't care about a strong woman. No issue there. What I do care about is taking the top male hero of all time and emasculating him into some submissive in order to have some feminist statement which is wholly unnecessary.
You contradicted yourself. You clearly care that a fictional man got “emasculated” by being nice to his cousin. I don’t see how any reasonable person could agree with that and this thread shows it. It’s about three people and it’s all they talk about.

If they have to treat Superman like they have to make Kara into something she isn't, then the writers have the insecurity. And apparently you do as well, because you seem to need a man to show inferiority to make your hero look stronger.
If you find what he did to be inferior you honestly seem to have issues that you need to work out.

It's not sexist when it's true.
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Sorry sweetie, it’s not true. It’s pretty far from it.

The writers are the ones being sexist, with their constant statements of male inferiority. And when called out on it, they can count on people like you for fake outrage.
The only fake outrage I see is yours. It’s outrage over something fake that doesn’t matter in the slightest. If Superman saying his female cousin is better than him upsets you for any reason, then your life must be pretty blessed and carefree. Other people have far worse things going on and see shows like this as a quick vacation from it. Men aren’t being attacked anywhere, that’s a delusion created by those who think that men are superior and deserve to lord over all. But they aren’t going to get that anymore and that upsets a few who see equality as a step down. It’s why they get upset over shows and movies.
 
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I’m surprised more people don’t die in comedies. In Home Alone, those crooks should have died countless times. The family should have come home to find two dead criminals frozen outside with paint can imprints in their skulls.
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If anything, I felt "Elseworlds, Part 3" felt more like a Superman story than the Supergirl episode it nominally was.

Honestly, I felt that the Supergirl episode was more of an Arrow episode (since he did most of the plot lifting, imho) than a Supergirl episode. But I also thought it was a pretty good Superman hour. :)

There we can agree. I'm disappointed we still only have one Earth-38 series.

Personally, I think it'd be kinda awesome if Batwoman was an Earth-38 series. After meeting Kate Kane on E-1, Kara is curious if there's an E-38 Kate Kane, so she goes to E-38 Gotham to find out, and the show goes from there.
 
Oh look! A liberal on a soap box! You're exactly the target audience for these writers. People who get offended when the writers get called out on their misandry.

But your irrelevant personal attacks aside, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't care about a strong woman. No issue there. What I do care about is taking the top male hero of all time and emasculating him into some submissive in order to have some feminist statement which is wholly unnecessary.

If they have to treat Superman like they have to make Kara into something she isn't, then the writers have the insecurity. And apparently you do as well, because you seem to need a man to show inferiority to make your hero look stronger.

It's not sexist when it's true.

The writers are the ones being sexist, with their constant statements of male inferiority. And when called out on it, they can count on people like you for fake outrage.
I've always found that if I don't like something, I stop watching/reading/consuming it...
In the world of comic book superheroes - there is ALWAYS a version that I can find that fits my taste, especially if I am willing to wait until the next "reboot."
In extreme situations, I just erase the thing I don't like from my "head canon" and move on.
Life is much happier that way.
 
Truth is in the eye of the beholder but Sexism is easy to spot by all.

As are false claims of it.

Sexism is more often a crutch used by people who have no other argument or point. And lashing out against political correctness is not sexism.

People? No, it’s insecure, probably the same guys who obsess over female Ghostbuster reboots as if they’re the worst crime in history or claim men are the most oppressed minority.

That was another forced feminism attempt that was rightfully called out. Female Ghostbusters was just a dumb idea, made solely for political correctness and so liberal snowflakes can get fake outraged. The box office showed how people didn't embrace that idea, but when people DID see how dumb the thought was, it gave the PC police an excuse to be outraged and cry false claims of sexism.

You contradicted yourself. You clearly care that a fictional man got “emasculated” by being nice to his cousin. I don’t see how any reasonable person could agree with that and this thread shows it. It’s about three people and it’s all they talk about.

You think all that scene was, was "being nice to his cousin?" Of course no reasonable person would think that being nice to your cousin is emasculating. Problem is not one person made that argument. I suppose you can go further if you want to counter points that no one made.

But what WAS emasculating was Clark constantly talking to Kara like she is his superior. It happened in his last trip to Supergirl, and it happened here, and now he bows so much that he decides to leave Earth because she is better than him? That's not only out of character, it was very emasculating.

If you find what he did to be inferior you honestly seem to have issues that you need to work out.

As brilliant as you may think this comeback is, it really is not accurate nor relevant. "You are stronger than me." That is essentially stating his inferiority--words written by writers that can't deal with the reality that no matter what words they write for Superman, he will always be better than Supergirl in every capacity.

The only fake outrage I see is yours. It’s outrage over something fake that doesn’t matter in the slightest. If Superman saying his female cousin is better than him upsets you for any reason, then your life must be pretty blessed and carefree. Other people have far worse things going on and see shows like this as a quick vacation from it. Men aren’t being attacked anywhere, that’s a delusion created by those who think that men are superior and deserve to lord over all. But they aren’t going to get that anymore and that upsets a few who see equality as a step down. It’s why they get upset over shows and movies.

Sounds like you don't understand what fake outrage is if you are using that definition.

What this represents is more political correctness by writers that have no concept of the real world.

I will call it out every time I see it and when people get on their soapbox and whine about it, I enjoy it. So keep going. Please.
 
As are false claims of it.

Sexism is more often a crutch used by people who have no other argument or point. And lashing out against political correctness is not sexism.



That was another forced feminism attempt that was rightfully called out. Female Ghostbusters was just a dumb idea, made solely for political correctness and so liberal snowflakes can get fake outraged. The box office showed how people didn't embrace that idea, but when people DID see how dumb the thought was, it gave the PC police an excuse to be outraged and cry false claims of sexism.



You think all that scene was, was "being nice to his cousin?" Of course no reasonable person would think that being nice to your cousin is emasculating. Problem is not one person made that argument. I suppose you can go further if you want to counter points that no one made.

But what WAS emasculating was Clark constantly talking to Kara like she is his superior. It happened in his last trip to Supergirl, and it happened here, and now he bows so much that he decides to leave Earth because she is better than him? That's not only out of character, it was very emasculating.



As brilliant as you may think this comeback is, it really is not accurate nor relevant. "You are stronger than me." That is essentially stating his inferiority--words written by writers that can't deal with the reality that no matter what words they write for Superman, he will always be better than Supergirl in every capacity.



Sounds like you don't understand what fake outrage is if you are using that definition.

What this represents is more political correctness by writers that have no concept of the real world.

I will call it out every time I see it and when people get on their soapbox and whine about it, I enjoy it. So keep going. Please.
:wtf::rolleyes::guffaw:

I’m going to go talk to the adults about Supergirl. Goodbye.

But masculinity must be pretty fragile if the simple act of telling a woman that she’s stronger emasculates a man.
 
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