News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman
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According to you, the man crying about Superman’s feelings being hurt.
That’s the first correct thing you’ve said.
That didn’t happen though, except in your imagination.
Are you watching in another universe, because I saw none of that. I saw a man helping his cousin grow as a hero. A man who isn’t threatened by women because he was raised by one, in a relationship with another and cousins with yet another.
Thats not what they were saying, that’s what you’re saying. Stop confusing the voices in your head with the writers.
Ever notice how in Batman comics, Batman is treated as superior to Superman. Does that emasculate Superman too?
You must be a hit with the ladies.
Everybody, just stick Kirk Prime on "ignore" so we can get back to talking about stuff that actually matters and isn't delusional.
Sadly the most sensible comment of the day is the one most likely to get the poster in trouble....
You guys are totally missing the point. The issue with Superman is not that men should be treated as superior to women. That's preposterous! The issue is that Superman should be treated as an equal to Supergirl. It's not about gender! It's about the comparison between two superheroes.
When/if someone actually starts treating the two characters as unequal, come back and make a counterargument against it.
I love that despite being Earth’s greatest hero that Supes is a lovable guy who accidentally burns the food he’s grilling for Lois. I always liked the idea that Superman was the mask and Clark was the real guy. He’s a humble farmboy who happens to have the powers of a god and in his spare time relaxes with his girlfriend and just wants to grill like a normal guy instead of using his heat vision.
We’re not missing the point of the scene, you are. This hysterical overreaction to it proves that.
I think you’re taking it WAY too literally. It’s not like he’s saying Supergirl is physically stronger than him. They’re probably roughly equal, maybe he has a slight edge because he’s likely pushed himself to his limits and knows exactly what he can do. But that’s not really important. This was him building her up, not for the audience, not for some imagined agenda, but for her as a person. He wants her to succeed and not have to live in his shadow. She sees herself as Superman’s cousin because he’s so beloved and famous for being a hero, while she’s new and having to deal with a group attacking aliens and she’s the face of it. They even poisoned the atmosphere to kill her and her alone. She’s a bit down and he notices that. He wanted her to know that she’s fully capable, strong enough and good enough to protect the planet. Plus there are kinds of strength beyond muscles and power.
We’re not missing the point of the scene, you are. This hysterical overreaction to it proves that.
Superman protected the Earth alone, for over a decade.
He now feels comfortable leaving that mantle in the capable of his equal.
You are arguing that Supergirl isn't alone up to the task that he capably performed for over 10 years.
So who's really not treating whom as an equal here, huh?
If Supergirl had told Superman that he's stronger than she is, then we'd be having an entirely different conversation.
That's exactly what happened here. Superman protected the Earth solo for more than a dozen years before Supergirl emerged, and now Clark said he thinks Kara is equally capable of protecting the Earth solo while he's off being a dad.
And come on, guys -- what greater feat of heroism is there than being a parent? It's ridiculous to say that Clark's choice to embrace fatherhood somehow makes him weak. On the contrary, it's bound to be the greatest challenge he's ever faced.
You do realize the show is Supergirl, right? She is the star. And it is one interpretation of the mythos. Even if he were weaker (which I don't think that is what they were saying), what does it really matter in this show?
Currently in the comics, Kara is stronger. She doesn’t have the same restraint that Clark has forced himself into over the years and she got supercharged with yellow sun radiation during her trip to Earth.
But Superman isn’t being a real man unless he’s lording his power over others and claiming women who outsmarted them don’t understand words. How else do you know you’re strong if you aren’t having to constantly try to convince everyone and whining about how unfair it was that you compared to an inferior?
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But that is showing he trusts her to be able to defend the planet. If he felt the world needed him that would come off as being to egotistical. To me he only comes off weak in the action scenes. Superman should be able to kick ass better than they allow him to but is that just to prop up Supergirl or is it because she is the series lead and he is a guest star and they want the series regulars to look better. The Flash and Green Arrow are males and they go their fair share of kick ass moments and like Supergirl they are also series regulars. You know who really got screwed over was early 90's "Flash" Not one fight scene at all. Soon as he starts to run he is sent away.
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That's nice for your brother.
The bad news all around is a great many of us are old duffers and the consensus seems to be pretty clear.
Never mind though, back to the actual topic.
To briefly revive this thread's other dumbass argument ....You would think so, but apparently not.
Strange the sort of places people go in their heads, but personally I'd never considered the possibility of Zod not dying in the theatrical release before today (deleted scenes being essentially the content of a bin and nothing more), so imagine my surprise after all these years (sorry, decades) to be told no one had ever seen it that way
FWIW, I have never invoked the deleted scene. It's a telling footnote, but in no way necessary to understand the Fortress scene as presented in the film. (I have no doubt it was cut in the first place as simply extraneous, because what else was any viewer going to assume happened to Zod and crew?)
I ran this "controversy" by my brother a while back. He's an old duffer like me, old enough to remember the film from its original release, but insulated from the recent "Reeve's Superman was a killer too!" revisionist lunacy. I asked him if Supes killed Zod and the other Kryptonians. His immediate and obvious response? "What? Of course not! That's crazy!"
(ETA: The version of this post that Spot261 quoted above was one I accidentally submitted before it was complete, to which s/he responded before I could delete and repost. Quick on the draw, that Spot.)
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As I recall, Superman was their reserve big gun in the AMAZO battle; his power was essential to the victory. In part 3, he was mostly fighting his evil double, so they were about evenly matched as far as power goes. And while Deegan probably had a disadvantage in terms of experience, he had the edge of being willing to endanger civilians while Superman was striving to protect them.
Also, an important point: Superman was needed here because of his knowledge. People forget that Superman isn't just muscle -- a lot of his effectiveness comes from his great intelligence and wisdom. Superman was the only one who knew how to read and use the Book of Destiny. So that was what his priority needed to be in that particular scene.
I do wish he'd contributed more -- not necessarily fighting, but some further involvement in the action and story. I wish they'd at least established what happened to him. I do hope his disappearance was a setup for next year's Crisis.
Where are you getting that from? Some hang up about MoS? I saw Superman II when it was first released, and I cannot recall a single person who thought Zod (or his companions) lived. It was clear Superman tossed the Kryptonian-turned-human to his death, and there was not a hint that he was being spared to live to have his day in court or go to jail.
True.
True. Superman flat out murdered Zod. There was not a particle of ambiguity about his intent and action.
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