News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

[dahj]

^ Such convoluted storytelling isn't necessary when the simplest - and therefore most likely - explanation is that the Arrowverse is finally introducing the Earth-1 versions of Supergirl's characters.

They're on Krypton, introducing them to Earth-1 would be the convoluted thing to do...

Besides they totally set up the thing I'm speculating about in this episode already:

Spoiler

The Barry/Oliver body swap was an accident because Deegan was trying to become the Flash.
Now that he's seen Superman in part 1, he's probably aiming a bit higher.

 

[JD]

^ Such convoluted storytelling isn't necessary when the simplest - and therefore most likely - explanation is that the Arrowverse is finally introducing the Earth-1 versions of Supergirl's characters.

I can't really see them doing that since it's been pretty clearly established that there are no aliens on Earth-1.

 

[DigificWriter]

Clark and Kara can exist on Earth-1 without their alien existence being known, so that argument doesn't hold.

We'll see what tonight's episode brings, but the simplest explanation is, as I noted, that we're finally getting the Earth-1 versions of Superman AND characters associated with Supergirl (Alex, James, etc.), which also jives with what we've previously been told about the Multiverse.

 

[Tuskin38]

I couldn't tell, what were all the names on the cells? The only one I was able to make out was Nygma E.

I saw 'Cobblepot, O.' 'Nigma, E.' and 'Isley, P.'

Also "Guggenheim, M." But that's just a reference to the show creator.

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[DigificWriter]

We also saw "Crane, J." near the vials of fear gas that 'dosed' Barry and Oliver and "Fries, V." on the case that Nora pulled that freeze gun out of.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Arrowverse wiki says there was a door labelled 'B. Karlo', who would be Clayface.

 

[dahj]

And the worst villain of all, Guggenheim M.

 

[Professor Zoom]

^ Such convoluted storytelling isn't necessary when the simplest - and therefore most likely - explanation is that the Arrowverse is finally introducing the Earth-1 versions of Supergirl's characters.

Is this another Amazo can't be the robot because it was already a ship?

This whole miniseries has been about wrapping reality and body swapping, isn't THAT the simplest explanation? That this black suited Superman isn't introducing an Earth 1 Superman, but rather something Deegan has done?

 

[JD]

Clark and Kara can exist on Earth-1 without their alien existence being known, so that argument doesn't hold.

We'll see what tonight's episode brings, but the simplest explanation is, as I noted, that we're finally getting the Earth-1 versions of Superman AND characters associated with Supergirl (Alex, James, etc.), which also jives with what we've previously been told about the Multiverse.

I'm pretty sure if they existed on Earth-1 they probably would have established it by now.
I just think it would fit better with what's already been established if they were just the Earth-38 versions and they just smashed up the worlds.

 

[Tuskin38]

Deegan probably saw Superman on TV when they stopped AMAZO.

So he just imagined him being evil or whatever.

Though that doesn't explain Alex being here.

 

[DigificWriter]

Everybody should watch the above-posted "Inside Elseworlds" featurette, because it at least partially confirms my take on the whole scenario.

 

[Tuskin38]

because it at least partially confirms my take on the whole scenario.

No it doesn't.

 

[DigificWriter]

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

We'll know more in about 6 and a half hours, but everything we know right now fits with what I've been saying.

 

[Christopher]

Deegan probably saw Superman on TV when they stopped AMAZO.

So he just imagined him being evil or whatever.

Though that doesn't explain Alex being here.

Remember, in the cold open of Part 1, when Deegan first opened the Book of Destiny, he said "I can see everything." Presumably it gave him the same kind of cosmic-level omniscience that the Monitor has, so he'd be able to perceive events spanning the multiverse. (Not unlike how the Thinker last year became so brilliant that he was able to predict everything that would happen anywhere in reality, even on Earth-X.) So once he saw the Supercousins and directed his thoughts toward them while using the book, he'd surely have full knowledge of their universe, and presumably he decided to create a hybrid of the two worlds.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes, it does.

We'll know more in about 6 and a half hours, but everything we know right now fits with what I've been saying.

Like how you were correct about AMAZO?
Oh wait.

Remember, in the cold open of Part 1, when Deegan first opened the Book of Destiny, he said "I can see everything." Presumably it gave him the same kind of cosmic-level omniscience that the Monitor has, so he'd be able to perceive events spanning the multiverse. (Not unlike how the Thinker last year became so brilliant that he was able to predict everything that would happen anywhere in reality, even on Earth-X.) So once he saw the Supercousins and directed his thoughts toward them while using the book, he'd surely have full knowledge of their universe, and presumably he decided to create a hybrid of the two worlds.

Ah good point.

 

[DigificWriter]

If somebody exists on Earth-1, they exist on every Earth across the Multiverse; why can't people just accept the Occam's Razor explanation, which is that, although we've never seen them before, Elseworlds P3 introduces the Earth-1 versions of Superman, Alex, James, etc.?

 

[dahj]

why can't people just accept the Occam's Razor explanation

If everyone else has reached a different conclusion than you did, don't you think that maybe, just maybe, you've fallen on the wrong side of the razor?

 

[Professor Zoom]

If somebody exists on Earth-1, they exist on every Earth across the Multiverse; why can't people just accept the Occam's Razor explanation, which is that, although we've never seen them before, Elseworlds P3 introduces the Earth-1 versions of Superman, Alex, James, etc.?

Again, just like "That can't be Amazo, the SHIP was Amazo!"?
We don't know if Part Three will be introducing actual Earth 1 counterparts--the story is LITERALLY about reality warping. They maybe on Earth 1 IN THIS STORY, but, that doesn't mean they will remain. And if that were the case, were they ACTUALLY Earth 1 counterparts if Deegan created them?

I would be shocked if we end up with Earth 1 remaining to have counterparts to Superman and Supergirl going forward. If they are even actually counterparts to begin with.

 

[Kirk Prime]

The Arrowverse's writers shouldn't have to - and very rarely do - "hold the audience's hand"; most of the people watching are smart enough to figure out what the context of Kara's comment was without having to be force-fed some expository handwave clarification, but beyond that, we see at the conclusion of the episode that Superman does in fact exist on Earth-1 (along with at least Lois, Alex, Kara, and James, as per the preview trailer), since there's nothing to indicate that Deegan's alteration of reality allows him to just 'wish' people into existence.

The amount of time to rewrite the dialogue to be less vague and more clear, and more realistic given the topic, would not have added any time to the episode.

And no, we don't see that Superman exists on Earth 1 at the end of the episode, because Deagan rewrote reality again. This is an altered Earth 1--one that happens to have a Superman. Given that Barry and Oliver didn't know who Superman was other than Kara's famous cousin, it's pretty clear that there was no Superman on Earth 1. I'm sure we will get more on this tonight.

Such convoluted storytelling isn't necessary when the simplest - and therefore most likely - explanation is that the Arrowverse is finally introducing the Earth-1 versions of Supergirl's characters.

We will find out tonight, though it will be very interesting. If Earth 1 does have a Superman, he hasn't debuted yet, and presumably, when reality goes back to normal, that will not change. So if Earth 1 does have a Superman, then he is younger, and not ready to go public, and it will be VERY interesting how they leave it. It also means young Kara is in her pod.

I can't really see them doing that since it's been pretty clearly established that there are no aliens on Earth-1.

Presumably, on Earth 38, Superman was the first alien to go public. What if Superman and the Kents are just younger? The existence of another Barry Allen that is older certainly allows for that.

If somebody exists on Earth-1, they exist on every Earth across the Multiverse; why can't people just accept the Occam's Razor explanation, which is that, although we've never seen them before, Elseworlds P3 introduces the Earth-1 versions of Superman, Alex, James, etc.?

It's definitely possible, but not 100 percent. What if in the Earth 1 universe, Krypton never explodes? And we have learned that even if someone exists on another world, they don't even have to be the same age. And we also know that Barry found no evidence of an Earth 38 version of Cisco and Caitlin.

Anything is possible.

 

[JD]

Yes, it does.

We'll know more in about 6 and a half hours, but everything we know right now fits with what I've been saying.

No it really doesn't. All it shows is that there is a Alex and a Superman, but it doesn't say that they are the Earth-1 versions. For all we know Deegan could have either scooped them up off of Earth-38, or created completely new versions of them that never existed until he used the book.

Remember, in the cold open of Part 1, when Deegan first opened the Book of Destiny, he said "I can see everything." Presumably it gave him the same kind of cosmic-level omniscience that the Monitor has, so he'd be able to perceive events spanning the multiverse. (Not unlike how the Thinker last year became so brilliant that he was able to predict everything that would happen anywhere in reality, even on Earth-X.) So once he saw the Supercousins and directed his thoughts toward them while using the book, he'd surely have full knowledge of their universe, and presumably he decided to create a hybrid of the two worlds.

Oh, that's a nice catch, that didn't even occur to me.

If somebody exists on Earth-1, they exist on every Earth across the Multiverse; why can't people just accept the Occam's Razor explanation, which is that, although we've never seen them before, Elseworlds P3 introduces the Earth-1 versions of Superman, Alex, James, etc.?

Yeah, the probably do exist in the Earth-1 universe, but that doesn't mean they have to exist on Earth. For all we know they could have been living happily on a never destroyed Krypton for their entire lives, or they could have ended up on Thanagar or Mars or some other planet.