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News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

There are a number of characters in various DC and Marvel screen productions that have only their names in common with their comics counterparts -- e.g. Arrow's Edward Fyers, or Agent Carter's Roger Dooley. Arguably Felicity Smoak is such a character, though both versions at least have a connection to computers. Sometimes I think DC and Marvel just have their shows and films assign existing character names to what are otherwise original characters so that they can avoid paying royalties to the creators of said original characters. Granted, Nora Fries is less obscure than those characters, but it's conceivable that they just needed a suitable name for a new female character and decided Nora was close enough.

But wouldn't they have to pay royalties to Paul Dini, in that case? He created Nora Fries, after all, and for TV even.

A recent BATMAN storyline revealed that Nora was never actually Freeze's wife; that was just a delusion on his part after he became obsessed with a particular cryonics test subject. But there's no way to know how the TV shows are going to approach Freeze's origin, of which there have been various versions.

I think I remember another attempt at changing Freeze's origin. It didn't stick, because the Dini origin is just so popular. My guess is that the New 52 version will suffer the same fate. Personally, I also prefer the Dini version. The New 52 version obviously tried to make the character more creepy and disturbing, but actually just feels just pathetic compared to the profoundly tragic version Dini came up with.
 
A recent BATMAN storyline revealed that Nora was never actually Freeze's wife; that was just a delusion on his part after he became obsessed with a particular cryonics test subject.

That sounds like a terrible idea. Turning Mr. Freeze into a tragic, sympathetic villain was the best thing that ever happened to him, and "Heart of Ice" is still unsurpassed as the finest Freeze story ever. Turning his tragic love into the delusion of just another stalkery male cheapens it and diminishes him as a character.


But wouldn't they have to pay royalties to Paul Dini, in that case? He created Nora Fries, after all, and for TV even.

Oh, right, I should've thought of that. Never mind, then.
 
That sounds like a terrible idea.

I'm not going to disagree.

At least I get where the writer in question was coming from. Shooting to make Freeze into a truly threatening character. The one downside of the Dini origin is that it becomes increasingly difficult to justify Freeze engaging in criminal activity, or conversely, becomes increasingly difficult to justify why Batman hasn't helped the poor bastard by now. It limits Freeze as much as it strengthens the character.

Scott Snyder wanted Freeze to be a villain again. Scary, threatening, and capable of being a truly malevolent entity for Batman to deal with.

That said, the execution did suck. I'm somewhat biased, Snyder's Batman has never been my bag. But that was the issue that made me jump ship from his run altogether. Ugh.
 
Scott Snyder wanted Freeze to be a villain again. Scary, threatening, and capable of being a truly malevolent entity for Batman to deal with.

I'm not sure "again" is the right word, since before Paul Dini reinvented him, he was a very minor villain with nothing to him but the cold gimmick, and making only a handful of appearances in comics and animation outside of his three Batman '66 appearances. So it's not like he's ever been a "truly malevolent entity" in the past, just a fairly goofy, one-note minor baddie. Paul Dini's version of Freeze may have been sympathetic, but he was also the first version of Freeze that really was scary and threatening. Indeed, those go hand in hand, because it was his tragedy that made him so ruthless and driven. Also, it was his cold, calculating intelligence that made him scary, because it made him more dangerous. If he's now just one more Bat-villain driven by a delusion or obsession, then he doesn't stand out; he becomes generic.
 
Scott Snyder wanted Freeze to be a villain again. Scary, threatening, and capable of being a truly malevolent entity for Batman to deal with.

I think what Snyder said was that he wanted to reconcile and integrate the two different sides of Mr. Freeze: Someone who loves his wife & someone who wants to freeze the world. So, solution: He's a guy obsessed with the cold and so falls in love with a frozen woman.

I didn't care for it, either. But I think it might already be retconned out? The most recent Batman arc has Freeze on trial. He talks about wanting to cure his wife while on the stand, with no one refuting or contradicting him or acting like he's being delusional.
 
No Mr. Freeze, eh...

How 'bout Killer Croc then? ;)

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I think what Snyder said was that he wanted to reconcile and integrate the two different sides of Mr. Freeze: Someone who loves his wife & someone who wants to freeze the world. So, solution: He's a guy obsessed with the cold and so falls in love with a frozen woman.

The problem is, there's a huge difference between (a) a man and a woman having a mutual, consensual love and (b) a man unilaterally becoming obsessed with a woman who has no say or agency in the matter. I mean, it's one thing to fall in unrequited love with someone. I've been there too many times myself. But when you start claiming that a woman who's never even met you is actually your wife -- well, that's downright predatory. It reduces the woman to a passive thing to be claimed as a prize, rather than a person sharing in a relationship. It replaces something poignant and tragic with something ugly, shallow, and misogynistic. It's hardly an even trade.
 
As one who found the "Invasion!" crossover underwhelming and the "Earth-X" crossover outright bad, and who has given up on the non-LoT series, I am both pleased that the Legends will be sitting this event out, and mildly curious about this event given the Superman and Batwoman factors.
 
As one who found the "Invasion!" crossover underwhelming and the "Earth-X" crossover outright bad, and who has given up on the non-LoT series, I am both pleased that the Legends will be sitting this event out, and mildly curious about this event given the Superman and Batwoman factors.

Really? I had a blast with the Earth-X event. It was so stupid and badly acted, it made it one of the most entertaining things I've seen this year. Only caught up with Arrow and Flash this year, working on LoT now and Supergirl after that.
 
Jeremy Davies cast

TVLine has learned that Lost alum Jeremy Davies — who is always so excellent at playing the manically brilliant, the slightly off-kilter — has joined the three-night, Legends-less event in the role of John Deegan, a doctor at the Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane.

Dr. Deegan, though, just might be crazier than the inmates he treats, and as such his machinations will draw Green Arrow (played by Stephen Amell), The Flash (Grant Gustin) and Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) to Gotham City. And that, I believe, is the first indication we have had that a sizeable chunk of the crossover action (if not the final showdown) will take place on Batwoman’s home turf.
 
That would make this Davies's second Arrowverse role, since he played Ritchie Simpson in NBC's Constantine (before it was retroactively folded into the Arrowverse, of course). That makes him at least the second Constantine guest actor to play a different character in the Arrowverse, after Juliana Harkavy.
 
My (improbable) dream: the "Elseworlds" tag portends a crossover with Earth-Smallville, and we get Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor.
 
The Monitor? Uh-oh. Well, we've known since Flash season 1 that there was a "Crisis" coming, but it should still be several years away. Maybe this is laying the foundations for that.
 
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