News? Stories from Dubious Sources

[James Cole]

Didn't everyone decide ages ago that the Kelvin universe must be a pre-existing parallel universe, because the changes obviously pre-date Nero's incursion?

It's only Spock's half-arsed speculation that Nero was the point of divergence anyway.

Set the film whenever you want and call it whatever universe you like.

EAS has a pretty comprehensive write up on the different theories.

There was nothing said about a John Logan show about Janeway, so I don't know where that came from.

That rumor has been around since the end of PICARD season 3. Some have speculated that's what Jeri Ryan meant when she said you might not be seeing the last of Seven of Nine at the IMAX finale screening, then Terry Matalas changed the subject.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I suppose they might leave the actual Earth-Romulan War due in Enterprise's immediate future (history established in original Star Trek: Balance of Terror and touched on Strange New Worlds alternative version of that episode)... to the Paramount+ shows to reference and one day depict.

I prefer to see the Kelvin universe as a divergence from events caused by Nero's arrival, but they could do whatever they want of courae. Despite the U.S.S. Franklin alligning reasonably okay with Enterprise, Simon Pegg seemed to suggest to fan queries Beyond differs from Roberto Orci's intention to have events depicted in that show as their shared past. Rationalising the Franklin's registry number with Enterprise, it just got changed later from an Earth Starfleet number to a higher count Federation Starfleet when Edison was rewarded with its Captaincy.

I mean with this rumoured movie they could change the whole First Contact origin of Star Trek so it happened with the Romulans instead of the Vulcans. That could explain why nobody seems all that surprised when Nero makes either of his laugh-out-loud zoom calls in the 2009 reboot.

 

[Quinton]

Bum news if true about a dead Janeway project, but so many pitches reach varying levels without ever seeing the light of day, and who knows what the future may bring.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Meh... Voyager has enjoyed a bit of an unexpected resurrection, of sorts, by including Seven in PIC and pretty much all of Prodigy being a VOY sequel series (the latter being surprisingly good).

It's time for a DS9 Renaissance now.

 

[James Cole]

Midnights Edge is running with a rumor Alex Kurtzman might buy the Star Trek franchise as part of breaking up CBS/Viacom/Paramount/National Amusements

 

[UssGlenn]

Didn't everyone decide ages ago that the Kelvin universe must be a pre-existing parallel universe, because the changes obviously pre-date Nero's incursion?

Some key time travel adventures that were supposed to happen after Nero's arrival, and were key to shaping the Prime universe, didn't happen. Instead, completely different time travel incidents happened, reshaping the reality to what we see at the beginning of the movie.

 

[HotRod]

Didn't everyone decide ages ago that the Kelvin universe must be a pre-existing parallel universe, because the changes obviously pre-date Nero's incursion?

It's only Spock's half-arsed speculation that Nero was the point of divergence anyway.

Set the film whenever you want and call it whatever universe you like.

No.

 

[Quinton]

Meh... Voyager has enjoyed a bit of an unexpected resurrection, of sorts, by including Seven in PIC and pretty much all of Prodigy being a VOY sequel series (the latter being surprisingly good).

It's time for a DS9 Renaissance now.

Hey, I'm all for it!

Midnights Edge is running with a rumor Alex Kurtzman might buy the Star Trek franchise as part of breaking up CBS/Viacom/Paramount/National Amusements

Well, that confirms the deep unlikelihood of such a scenario!

 

[James Cole]

Well, that confirms the deep unlikelihood of such a scenario!

Maybe I need to go back and add some more sarcastic emojis to clarify I'm not giving the rumor some actual credence... but as someone broadly anti-NuTrek, that would be a nightmare scenario to even joke about yet it is out there

 

[HotRod]

Midnights Edge is running with a rumor Alex Kurtzman might buy the Star Trek franchise as part of breaking up CBS/Viacom/Paramount/National Amusements

Wouldn't that be wonderful!? Watching an entire chuck of the fandom freak the fuck out about such a thing, would bring Eric Cartman levels of joy to me. I'd take the day off work, just so I could enjoy every second of it.

 

[Quinton]

Maybe I need to go back and add some more sarcastic emojis to clarify I'm not giving the rumor some actual credence... but as someone broadly anti-NuTrek, that would be a nightmare scenario to even joke about yet it is out there

Haha, no worries. I, at least, understood it was in sarcasm. I hope that, at this point, everyone here reads the words 'Midnight's Edge' and immediately understands the rest of the post is comedy.

 

[James Cole]

Haha, no worries. I, at least, understood it was in sarcasm. I hope that, at this point, everyone here reads the words 'Midnight's Edge' and immediately understands the rest of the post is comedy.

I mean, I'll take some heat and say they're probably somewhat over the target on the 25% different thing, but I highly doubt this one...

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

Didn't everyone decide ages ago that the Kelvin universe must be a pre-existing parallel universe, because the changes obviously pre-date Nero's incursion

I wouldn't consider that a universal belief. Plus Discovery reinforced Nero's arrival as the point of divergence in canon, at least assuming that the universe Kovich was referring to in "Terra Firma" was the Kelvin Timeline, which certainly seems to be the intent of the writers.

Though Simon Pegg seemed to hold an odd belief that the changes rippled both ways for some reason. Kind of like the whole spaghetti thing from The Flash. Link for anyone who hasn't seen it, which based on box office receipts is probably a lot of people:

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[fireproof78]

Meh... Voyager has enjoyed a bit of an unexpected resurrection, of sorts, by including Seven in PIC and pretty much all of Prodigy being a VOY sequel series (the latter being surprisingly good).

It's time for a DS9 Renaissance now.

I would agree but my biggest struggle is how? Brooks doesn't want to return, and two deaths also add a shadow to it. I mean, it's nice that some returned on LD but is that enough?

 

[137th Gebirg]

True. They would necessarily have to add some new characters, which they did for both PIC & PRO, so not really a big deal there.

Yes, we've lost Eisenberg & Auberjonois but, as sad as those passings have been (and RDM's proposed storyboards in Ira Behr's DS9 documentary "What We Left Behind" notwithstanding), Nog's absence can be hand-waived away by his occupation in Starfleet (maybe even make him a Captain like they did in STO) - perhaps have him and his crew succumb to the whole transporter-virus thing they established in PIC S4, and Odo is permanently involved with the Great Link and continues to send intel back to Starfleet from the former Dominion (hinted at by Worf in PIC). Is it a somewhat macabre way of compensating for real-world events? Sure, but it's not an insurmountable task by any metric.

At the end of the day, yes, Brooks' very well-known disinterest in pursuing the Sisko character further is really the only main sticking point for a DS9 continuation. I guess, so long as they get permission from Brooks, they could potentially do some kind of AI-deep-fake kind of thing for him. The tech is there, but they would really need to think it through on that one.

Again, unlikely, but never impossible. If they're going to do it though, they better do it soon before more actors who played higher-level impactful characters also get too old or sadly pass on. None of them are getting any younger.

 

[David cgc]

Though Simon Pegg seemed to hold an odd belief that the changes rippled both ways for some reason

There were some seeming contradictions in backstory or visual appearance in the first two movies that certain absolutists didn't appreciate, and suggesting that time-travel adventures from after the Kelvin was destroyed to before the Kelvin was destroyed would probably happen differently and have some butterfly-effects is a good-enough way of handwaving any differences that your EAS-types might say are irreconcilable. It's ironic, though, that Pegg described the theory right before Beyond came out, which had the tightest fit with the established pre-TOS backstory.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

Brooks' very well-known disinterest in pursuing the Sisko character further is really the only main sticking point for a DS9 continuation

Given his distaste for aspects of the finale, I wonder if a return that focuses on showing that he wasn't an absentee father for his second child might lure him back, at least for a one-off. Though it would almost certainly have to indicate that he didn't wait 25 years to return.

But failing that, having his second child as a major character might be a nice middle ground. Come to think of it, if they're planning on that character being part of a continuation either way it might even make him want to come back if he can show that Sisko was part of that child's life...

 

[Campe]

I mean, I'll take some heat and say they're probably somewhat over the target on the 25% different thing, but I highly doubt this one...

25% is tantamount to throwing a dart at a board with different possibilities of what might happen and hope they'll be right some days.

 

[Tomalak]

A successor show to DS9 needn’t be a slavish sequel like Picard Season 3, reuniting all the surviving cast. It could be a spiritual successor, perhaps focusing on a Starfleet mission to Cardassia after the Dominion War.

There are plenty of ways to go if a good writer came with a strong vision.

 

[Quinton]

A successor show to DS9 needn’t be a slavish sequel like Picard Season 3, reuniting all the surviving cast. It could be a spiritual successor, perhaps focusing on a Starfleet mission to Cardassia after the Dominion War.

There are plenty of ways to go if a good writer came with a strong vision.

I think it would work even better if it isn't as slavishly dedicated - and I say that as someone who loves Picard Season 3. Deep Space Nine repeatedly broke new ground; that's not to diminish the boldness on display with TNG at times, but DS9 lit every cylinder on that score.

Devotion to a status quo in any potential Niner-centric script treatment would almost be anathema to the show itself!