News? Stories from Dubious Sources

[Dukhat]

At this point we're already aware that Doomcock, Midnight's Edge, and their ilk are all full of shit. It doesn't surprise us, nor does it make us angry. At most, I'm more annoyed that they make money off of being clickbait, rather than being annoyed about what rumors they actually post.

But those guys are not members of this BBS and actively posting their bullshit here. So when someone does join here and claims to have inside info with no sources, we're going to take them with large grains of salt, especially when they start lording stuff over us or get annoyed when we don't take them seriously. I'm not saying that that's what you're doing; I saying that that's how it is here.

 

[Vullein]

I am highly suspicious of people who claim insider information because there zero way to confirm it to my mind, since online identities are difficult to verify. Perhaps that is irrational, but is nothing to do with fear of the fandom menace because they'll blather on about whatever they want, leaks or no leaks.

I find the whole rumor/leak mill to be a source of random speculation that lacks anything substantive for discussion.

I can't speak for the rest of community but for my part I just find the whole "I know things" to be odd, to say the least.

I understand that, but I want to prod you a bit, if you don't mind.

What if I said some very, very specific stuff about the future of Star Trek, I'm talking stuff you can't just guess, and it gets confirmed. Would you believe I'm credible? What if I do that multiple times?

Like what if I said a Worf series is in the works or something. And it stars uh, Picard and Burnham, as they fight Khan and his uhmmm Vulcan army?

Just making something up right now of course but what if I actually heard that and published that news, and it gets confirmed. What would you think?

 

[fireproof78]

I understand that, but I want to prod you a bit, if you don't mind.

What if I said some very, very specific stuff about the future of Star Trek, I'm talking stuff you can't just guess, and it gets confirmed. Would you believe I'm credible? What if I do that multiple times?

Like what if I said a Worf series is in the works or something. And it stars uh, Picard and Burnham, as they fight Khan and his uhmmm Vulcan army?

Just making something up right now of course but what if I actually heard that and published that news, and it gets confirmed. What would you think?

Still skeptical. I don't know. It's just the whole "insider" information piece that makes my Vulcan eyebrow raise.

Largely because anyone can claim to be anything on the Internet and that causes me a lot of pause. Irrationally so, perhaps.

 

[Campe]

I understand that, but I want to prod you a bit, if you don't mind.

What if I said some very, very specific stuff about the future of Star Trek, I'm talking stuff you can't just guess, and it gets confirmed. Would you believe I'm credible? What if I do that multiple times?

Like what if I said a Worf series is in the works or something. And it stars uh, Picard and Burnham, as they fight Khan and his uhmmm Vulcan army?

Just making something up right now of course but what if I actually heard that and published that news, and it gets confirmed. What would you think?

For me, I guess I would look at your spoilers with a little less trepidation, BUT a broken clock is right twice a day. I know that might seem a little harsh, but I have my reasons.

Probably about 5 years ago, I started hearing all of these rumors from a specific pair of "sources" on Facebook regarding the future of what would become known as the Kelvin Timeline movies. These individuals apparently were continuing to post stuff about Roberto Orci's version of what would become Star Trek Beyond not happening and that Orci would be fired. Eventually, Orci left the project, but whether or not he was fired or not was really never stated. They then utilized that one rumor that ended up being true in order to continue to perpetuate these crazy rumors -- that Beyond wasn't happening (despite there being pictures and footage from the set) that something like five new TV series were coming in its place, that they were all Prime, that the Axanar people would be put in charge of all of it. The only idea I recall directly was season five of Enterprise would be coming. It was all pretty ridiculous.

Now, again, their intent was negative and I'm not suggesting for a second you're doing the same. It doesn't seem that way. But, I can't say that I would be 100% convinced that you didn't just get lucky. Because I've seen it happen. It would have to be a handful of things that would have to turn out to be correct before I was completely in.

 

[Vullein]

At this point we're already aware that Doomcock, Midnight's Edge, and their ilk are all full of shit. It doesn't surprise us, nor does it make us angry. At most, I'm more annoyed that they make money off of being clickbait, rather than being annoyed about what rumors they actually post.

But those guys are not members of this BBS and actively posting their bullshit here. So when someone does join here and claims to have inside info with no sources, we're going to take them with large grains of salt, especially when they start lording stuff over us or get annoyed when we don't take them seriously. I'm not saying that that's what you're doing; I saying that that's how it is here.

I understand and I agree with that. I understand being skeptical, I'm just asking for a chance.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but I'm not spreading fake drama for clicks like those YouTube channels. My website didn't even have ads until like, last week, and even then, I don't really post anything "negative."

I've told you guys some stuff I haven't even published yet. I'm talking about the Khan Indian casting and the new Star Trek 1992 info. I've only posted one or two links to websites I've written for here and it was only to back something I said up. I've published new Star Trek information on my website since I joined this place, but I haven't been posting it here. I'm not saying you guys are accusing me of this, but I definitely could've advertised my website more If I had malicious intent or really any kind of intent other than wanting to share my information with people who are into this.

I don't know if you guys are in the Star Trek subreddit's discord server, but I regularly reveal information there and the people there trust me. I tell them information days, weeks and months in advance of when I actually publish the articles containing said information. I heard from the people there that there are a few insiders here so I assumed you guys would be interested in it too. Then I saw myself being linked in a thread called "Stories from Dubious Sources" and now I'm here arguing with you guys lmao

 

[Vullein]

Still skeptical. I don't know. It's just the whole "insider" information piece that makes my Vulcan eyebrow raise.
That's fair. Not sure what to say to this to be honest, I understand where you're coming from.
Largely because anyone can claim to be anything on the Internet and that causes me a lot of pause. Irrationally so, perhaps.

 

[Vullein]

For me, I guess I would look at your spoilers with a little less trepidation, BUT a broken clock is right twice a day. I know that might seem a little harsh, but I and I have my reason.

Probably about 5 years ago, I started hearing all of these rumors from a specific pair of "sources" on Facebook regarding the future of what would become known as the Kelvin Timeline movies. These individuals apparently were continuing to post stuff about Roberto Orci's version of what would become Star Trek Beyond not happening and that Orci would be fired. Eventually, Orci left the project, but whether or not he was fired or not was really never stated. They then utilized that one rumor that ended up being true in order to continue to perpetuate these crazy rumors -- that Beyond wasn't happening (despite there being pictures and footage from the set) that something like five new TV series were coming in its place, that they were all Prime, that the Axanar people would be put in charge of all of it. The only idea I recall directly was season five of Enterprise would be coming. It was all pretty ridiculous.

Now, again, their intent was negative and I'm not suggesting for a second you're doing the same. It doesn't seem that way. But, I can't say that I would be 100% convinced that you didn't just get lucky. Because I've seen it happen. It would have to be a handful of things that would have to turn out to be correct before I was completely in.

That's understandable, and I'm sorry for this, but what if I published another very specific scoop and that turned out to be correct too? And another one, and another one? Etc.

I'm curious because people generally have a "limit" when it comes to being suspicious about an information source. Like, how many times do I have to be right about very specific stuff for you to trust me?

 

[fireproof78]

Now, again, their intent was negative and I'm not suggesting for a second you're doing the same. It doesn't seem that way. But, I can't say that I would be 100% convinced that you didn't just get lucky. Because I've seen it happen. It would have to be a handful of things that would have to turn out to be correct before I was completely in.

Indeed, yes. There is nothing personal hear but "insider information" carries such a weight, especially after the Kelvin universe debacle, that I would only be less skeptical, and that's about the extent of what I can offer.

@Vullein it's a slow climb to trust. I've been around Trek communities for a while, and there are very few online people I trust, even here at the TrekBBS. I can state honestly that I have friends who work in Hollywood. Why would you believe me?

Also, you're reply to me as a quote take that's messed upon. Just a head's up.

I'm curious because people generally have a "limit" when it comes to being suspicious about an information source. Like, how many times do I have to be right about very specific stuff for you to trust me?

My threshold is high-like ten times and on the specifics, not in vague generalities. Otherwise, just rumor and reckless speculation as to what said rumors might mean.

 

[Campe]

That's understandable, and I'm sorry for this, but what if I published another very specific scoop and that turned out to be correct too? And another one, and another one? Etc.

I'm curious because people generally have a "limit" when it comes to being suspicious about an information source. Like, how many times do I have to be right about very specific stuff for you to trust me?

I can't give you an exact number because I honestly don't know. I'm willing to read, but even if it was someone I trusted implicitly, if the rumor was way out there I'm going to have my doubts.

 

[Vullein]

Indeed, yes. There is nothing personal hear but "insider information" carries such a weight, especially after the Kelvin universe debacle, that I would only be less skeptical, and that's about the extent of what I can offer.

@Vullein it's a slow climb to trust. I've been around Trek communities for a while, and there are very few online people I trust, even here at the TrekBBS. I can state honestly that I have friends who work in Hollywood. Why would you believe me?

Also, you're reply to me as a quote take that's messed upon. Just a head's up.


My threshold is high-like ten times and on the specifics, not in vague generalities. Otherwise, just rumor and reckless speculation as to what said rumors might mean.

To me it seems like most of the Star Trek community is like this, which makes my job harder. Like, try to look at this from my perspective and just assume for a second my info is legit. It's hard to convince people my info is legit when the Fandom Menace and fake leaks overall have such a huge presence in the Star Trek community.

Also thank you for the heads up. I don't use forums much outside of Reddit and I'm on a very slow phone, so I sometimes mess stuff up. I'll fix the quote.

 

[Campe]

I can state honestly that I have friends who work in Hollywood. Why would you believe me?

Exactly. After college, I was inches away from landing a PA gig on the Joss Whedon show Angel. I know it happened but I have no reason to expect anyone to believe me. Now at 40, my thoughts about working in the entertainment industry are so far behind me but at the time, it was pretty intense there for a week or two.

 

[fireproof78]

To me it seems like most of the Star Trek community is like this, which makes my job harder. Like, try to look at this from my perspective and just assume for a second my info is legit. It's hard to convince people my info is legit when the Fandom Menace and fake leaks overall have such a huge presence in the Star Trek community.

Also thank you for the heads up. I don't use forums much outside of Reddit and I'm on a very slow phone, so I sometimes mess stuff up. I'll fix the quote.

Yes, I can see that being a very difficult hill to climb up. And, yeah, it is hard to assume information is legit because the Internet is notoriously unreliable and not just because of the Fandom Menace, but just rumors in general. I mean, it's like when I was in grade school and people would spread information about comic book or video game characters. There was no way to check it, so when you did learn it wasn't true it was harder hitting. Now, we are online, were that face to face interaction is completely removed. It makes it harder.

My honest recommendation is to participate in the community a whole, as well as offer the information like you have done. Then it comes across less as "I know something you don't know) grade school type thing and more actual interest in the community as a whole.

I think @Ketwolski is probably my best example of someone with a YT presence and participating here.

 

[Vullein]

Yes, I can see that being a very difficult hill to climb up. And, yeah, it is hard to assume information is legit because the Internet is notoriously unreliable and not just because of the Fandom Menace, but just rumors in general. I mean, it's like when I was in grade school and people would spread information about comic book or video game characters. There was no way to check it, so when you did learn it wasn't true it was harder hitting. Now, we are online, were that face to face interaction is completely removed. It makes it harder.

My honest recommendation is to participate in the community a whole, as well as offer the information like you have done. Then it comes across less as "I know something you don't know) grade school type thing and more actual interest in the community as a whole.

I think @Ketwolski is probably my best example of someone with a YT presence and participating here.

That's a good idea. Also, I actually talk to Ketwolski sometimes!

A while there was some trouble with Production Weekly (a weekly online magazine keeping track of Film & TV productions) copying my information. Production Weekly used to copy my information and people wouldn't believe me when I said that it was my information, because they assumed I copied it from Production Weekly.

Ket helped me prove that it's my information, because I'd tell him said information, wait a week, then publish an article with the info and only then would Production Weekly suddenly contain the information too. Ket could confirm that I gave him this information long before Production Weekly published it.

I still sometimes tell him stuff. Most of it hasn't been confirmed or debunked yet, but there's some stuff that has already been confirmed I think.

 

[fireproof78]

That's a good idea. Also, I actually talk to Ketwolski sometimes!

A while there was some trouble with Production Weekly (a weekly online magazine keeping track of Film & TV productions) copying my information. Production Weekly used to copy my information and people wouldn't believe me when I said that it was my information, because they assumed I copied it from Production Weekly.

Ket helped me prove that it's my information, because I'd tell him said information, wait a week, then publish an article with the info and only then would Production Weekly suddenly contain the information too. Ket could confirm that I gave him this information long before Production Weekly published it.

I still sometimes tell him stuff. Most of it hasn't been confirmed or debunked yet, but there's some stuff that has already been confirmed I think.

Indeed, I can see that being a "chicken and the egg" time of position, especially with information as a commodity. And Ketwolski appears to be a decent fellow. But, if he were to come at it and say "I have sources that say" that gets filed under skepticism. It's not the person but how the information is presented.

 

[Vullein]

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that I'm the source for the information listed in these (1, 2) threads. Take that as you will.

 

[Quinton]

I’m glad to see some understanding between folks here today.

 

[Precious Tritium]

Well, personally I'm excited to see what you write. I have absolutely no reason to trust you or your scoops, but it's such a dry, dull year that I'll take anything.

If you turn out to be correct then I'll watch your future posts with great interest, and if you're wrong, I'll take it as a personal insult and never forgive you.

 

[Vullein]

Well, personally I'm excited to see what you write. I have absolutely no reason to trust you or your scoops, but it's such a dry, dull year that I'll take anything.

If you turn out to be correct then I'll watch your future posts with great interest, and if you're wrong, I'll take it as a personal insult and never forgive you.

All I'm asking for

 

[Skywalker]

I also get the sense that @Vullein 's current avatar is related to a topic we were discussing the other day.

Be interesting to see if that turns out to be true.

 

[Vullein]

I also get the sense that @Vullein 's current avatar is related to a topic we were discussing the other day.

Be interesting to see if that turns out to be true.

I mean if you guys want, I'll let you know. I wanted to share this earlier, but we were in the middle of a discussion regarding credibility, so I didn't think it was a good idea to put this piece of info out there at the time.