"It's the highest-grossing Trek film since the one that got beat by Maid in Manhattan!"
Even then... it is the only Trek film that had been made since the one that got beat by Maid in Manhattan!
Definitely worse ways to be!
Yeah, that's not the movie not making money, that's hollywood tricks accounting so they don't have to pay out royalties and often ends up with studio's being sued.
This has moved into blatant bad faith at this point.
Because the Abrams films were the only Star Trek movies outside the TOS/TNG films until Section 31.
You seem to not get the point. And if the point hasn’t been gotten by this time, it never will be.
Forcing people to sit through weekly sermons on ethics and philosophy is not going to help (as much as a certain section of the fandom may think otherwise).
What? You don't like being lectured on how evil and unevolved you are as a 20th/21st century human? I am shocked-shocked I say!
You need compelling characters, an arc for them, and for the story not to go "off the rails", along with a lack of corporate micromanagement.
I think what I've learned watching Trek, is that the lecturing on how evolved they are by the 22nd and 23rd centuries is gold, Q was right about them.
But it's like a Human today claiming they're more civilized than a Roman.
Lorca was still capable of brutality, as was Sisko, as was Janeway, even the Admirals over Picard wanted a Borg genocide.
My take, if you think the people on Starships are significantly more civilized than the people of the early 21st century, you've fallen for Star Trek's illusion, an illusion that TNG, DS9, and Voyager all challenged, and even "Into Darkness" challenged.
I think that's why I'm fond of "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise."
Even the writers of TNG challenged Roddenberry's vision.
They understood what they needed to make a procedural drama work, and Roddenberry didn't by 1987.
However, I do think that the Kurtzman era went a little too far in the opposite direction, for drama.
The Question seems to be more "What does civilized really mean?" and what is the trial that we're putting a captain on in this series.
Kirk's trials were Getting back the Enterprise, a 5 year mission, and saving Spock, Kirk's final trial is with the Klingons, and redeeming the death of his son, and overcoming his racism and prejudice for the death of his son.
Kirk II's trial in the Kelvin timeline is coming to terms with a "no win scenario" similar to his TOS counterpart.
Picard was on a divine trial with Q. While Picard's trial is about solving a puzzle, and learning the trial never ends.
(I hated Picard seasons 1 and 2, and while I enjoyed 3, imo, everything after "All Good Things" is antithetical to TNG as a whole. That's my opinion.)
Sisko was on a divine trial with the prophets. While this trial is similar to Picard's it's also different, as it's a trial for Bajor, the Federation, and ultimately is a test of Sisko's capability for self sacrifice, in "To the Death", Sisko repeatedly risks his life for a Jem Hadar that threatened to kill him, to demonstrate who he was.
Janeway's trial was the delta quadrant, and confronting her fear and grief, as well as unifying two crews.
Pike's trial is knowing how his body will be destroyed, and living with the time he had left, as well as possibly the trauma of being a Goldsman Puppet.
Archer's trial was being the first human to chart the galaxy.
Within TOS, SNW, DISCO, and The Movies, Spock's trial is that cold Vulcan Logic is bullshit, and he knows it, and he's a gifted diplomat who has to hone his abilities.
In DS9, Kira, and Odo have trials, as do Garak, Worf, and Miles O'brien.
Every procedural episode is a trial, and a serialized element is nice, not doing a procedural is wasting the entire setting of Trek.
It needs to be a procedural.
Worf's trial is not just about regaining his honor and to find a house, but learning to call bullshit with a fanatical Klingon culture, that is very unstable.
I have no idea what Burnham's trial was, nor do I have any idea what SFA's broader trial is yet.
Ake's trial seems to be running the first Starfleet Academy in 400 years, and redeeming Starfleet for a child whose family she destroyed, as well as using that as a means of forgiving herself for the death of her son.
Ultimately, every Captain is supposed to be an Emissary, Sisko is just the most blatant Emissary.
The trial is the claim to civilization, and a great captain has to demonstrate that in their role.
Broadly speaking, the demonstration for a given series is the trial that captain is on, that's how we demo how civillised they are compared to us.
It's not a lecture, but a broad theme and arc of a given show.
Other than that, what drives the writing of TNG, DS9 and Voyager are basic social skills and how you interact with ETs using those.
What I do dislike is people bitching about Kurtzman's run, the writers need room to build and explore characters, and 8-10 episodes is a ridiculous numbr in which to do that, in any capacity. SFA was starting to shine in it's first season. What got me, is that every one of those young cadets is in a trial of their own.
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Forgive me, I was being rhetorical with that particular "you".
I do agree they were written that way at times though.
Burnham's trial would appear to be overcoming her shady past (she began the series by committing mutiny).
I see that part, but I also find the Federation blaming her for starting a war with the Klingons as silly at best, at worst contrived, to make her character not a "mary sue".
Like, there's no way that anyone will see her as a Mary Sue if we keep her suffering for the foreseeable future.
My take, you don't want to have a character suffering like that all of the time, and I know, I'm a DS9 fan, but...O'brien must suffer episodes were peppered throughout that shows run, we didn't have them back to back.
In some ways I find her shoehorned, contrived, a Shatner/sue, displaying far too much range, and in the very last 2 seasons far too sentimental.
I loved season 1, and I loved a lot of season 2.
Aside from that, watching season 1, I felt that they were trying to do a few things.
The Mycellial network was going to be tied to the Prophets, and the Celestial Temple, (They emulated that effect in the escape from the mirror universe.)
Then her Trial was to speed run Dylan Hunt from Andromeda in 10 episodes.
Honestly, they should have just named her Dylan Hunt, Dylan is a gender neutral name.
My opinion on why this is a weakness is that developing her the way they did, took away from the bridge crew, which made Pike's speech at the end of season 2 hilarious.
He lists off how each of these characters on the bridge crew has grown this season, and we spent virtually no time with any of them.
Hey, so glad you filled in for Ariam, in a respectful way...she died, and we didn't see her original actress show up until the last 30 seconds dude, what are you doing?
Voyager's pilot took the time to establish each character, and introduce us to the ensemble.
Janeway, Paris, Kim, Chakotay, Tuvok, Torres, The Doctor, Neelix, etc.
DS9's did the same for it's respective cast.
But DS9 also opened at Wolf 359, and established Sisko in (what can only be described as a trick John Oliver made fun of the other day.)
We kill his wife off in 4 minutes to make him sympathetic, then get him to DS9, where the show can finally begin.
Discovery, here's Burnham, Georgeiu, and Saru.
We're killing Georgeiu for now, and oh yeah, fuck the chick with they 7 of 9 eye piece and the robot lady, fuck them, they'll just end up from the Shenzou and get moved to Discovery to taunt Burnham.
We're going to kill off every captain we see as a hologram in this pilot, and then...Lorca shows up with a mystery box, and more people who we're gonna kill off this season, and then we'll meet Stametz.
IMO, they didn't need to make her Spock's sister, that character could have been strong enough to stand on her own.
Discovery needed a writer to rein in Michelle Paradise.
The Klingons were looking for war, and the Federation already knew enough about them to understand that.
I think a big criticism of Kurtzman's selection of writers, is that none of them could write an ensemble show.
Off the top of my head, the writers of LOST could do that, and kept doing that, Kitzis and Horowits might have been a better fit for a Trek series after "Once upon a time" ended.
At most she was a Tom Paris, who committed a mutiny, and should have been put in a camp in New Zealand.
If the Federation is so civilized, why were they sending her to a death mine? Wouldn't you want to reform humans on Earth?
I just feel the depiction of the Federation is that if they want to be, they don't care about reform, they just care about it when they want to feel good, they can be punitive.
The Vulcans on the other hand, kept Sybock in a reform system for a very long time, and let him chill out. The Vulcans seem to be very civilized.
Where the UFP seems to be a Nordic style superstate most of the time, but 20th century USA/Texas dishing out "JUSTICE" whenever it feels like it.
Especially, when at least Sarek was aware of Project Daedalus, and why Burnham would freak the fuck out if she found a Klingon ship near Federation space, or in Federation Space.
Which again, if they're a post scarcity society, with good mental hygiene, the only functioning communist society ever, then they'd have taken that into account upon Sarek's request.
(In my head canon, Nick Locarno was an alias Tom Paris had to use at Starfleet Academy to avoid the nepotism associated with being Admiral Paris' son, my head canon is that anyone with a high ranking parent would use an alias. As they'd be a military target for enemies of the Federation, and the Federation wants to present itself as above nepotism.)
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Also, sorry, Tachyon Pulse is claiming there's a 10 year plan again today.
My critique went off the rails. I view everything he says as bullshit with no substance, he just repeats the same thing over and over again after it's already happened, and pretends to be an insider. Sometimes he just fabricates shit.
Do you know how dodgy people in this franchise actually are?
They'll share things with you, when they want to, but they'll dodge you if they want.
They're very tight lipped.
If you butter them up, they'll tease you sometimes, but it will have to fit within the broader NDA they all signed being a part of that franchise.
I've talked to a few of them, they get dodgy, but they're not going to say shit about the admins running the franchise most of the time, unless they're Doug Drexler. (Haven't spoken with him, but he seems to enjoy talking shit everywhere else.)
There was ample evidence to suggest CBS was close to starting a DS9 remaster and may have scanned everything in 2022, then started in 2023. I spoke to a person, and got some limited info on that, but that was shut down in 2024, god knows if that'll pick back up, but even when I spoke to them, the cat was already out of the bag.
(I timed this to Adam Savage's videos at the Paramount Archive, around the merger's completion, Paramount had 3 film archives and was dong a complete audit, and 3 years after the release of TMP, had film elements from TMP, so it looks like they're doing a broad recovery of everything possibly for the "Roddenberry Archive"?) IDK, that seems to be a possibility.
No news is good news right?
That person would have been employed to do work on that remaster.
Even then, they couldn't really say shit.
Most of what I knew about that was info from 2013-2021 when they were trying to get that off of the ground.
It almost happened around anniversaries.
So, if it started in 2018, they'd be targeting 2023.
If it started in 2023, they're likely targeting 2028, if they start in 2028, they're targeting the 40th.
The tidbit was, "Once the merger finishes, the outlook seems optimistic."
The outlook also seemed positive for Voyager.
But there isn't a confirmed start.
It would be greenlit on one anniversary, and then released by another anniversary.
While it would take 3 years to do one in 2010, they'd leave an extra 2 years for themselves to have some padding.
They built the station asset in 2018, that's the same asset for the last shot of the show, that's in the Rodenberry Archive, and STO.
It was repurposed initially for STO. Then the doc happened and at least 15-30 percent of DS9's film lot was scanned in 2019, including several whole episodes, that likely remain in their non conformed state.
How do I know Tachyon Pulse is full of shit?
Aside from him being Tachyon Pulse, when I spoke to an insider on my interest, I asked Tachyon Pulse about it. *These were within a week of each other.*
Tachyon Pulse hadn't heard anything about it, and that looks like something he'd be happy to leak, it also didn't seem like something the studio was making a real effort to hide...at the time.
My interest is on the outskirts of the franchise at his point. What can I say? I'm fond of the Outer Rim.
What bugs me is everyone clamoring for leaks of new content.
CBS' head, Paramount's Head, David Ellison, Rod Roddenberry, John Van Citters, and maybe a handful of other people would know what the plan is, and I guarantee none of them are leaking shit to Tachyon Pulse or Jon Del Arroz.
Candidates might be, I doubt Sussman is.
So, who would the other candidates be, and why would they talk to Jon Del Arroz?
I've interacted with him on X a few times, he's a moron who writes novels with AI, imo, I don't think John Van Citters would get along with any writers that would talk to Del Arroz.
Obviously, they don't keep as tight a leash on the VFX guys.
Maybe the guys at Otoy would know something, but that's a network of veterans, and imo, I don't know why the franchise doesn't employ them to build a VFX house for new productions.
It seems like that would allow for better flexibility between the Roddenberry Archive and the shows, as you'd kill two birds with one stone.
My critique went off the rails. I view everything he says as bullshit with no substance, he just repeats the same thing over and over again after it's already happened, and pretends to be an insider. Sometimes he just fabricates shit.
Do you know how dodgy people in this franchise actually are?
They'll share things with you, when they want to, but they'll dodge you if they want.
They're very tight lipped.
If you butter them up, they'll tease you sometimes, but it will have to fit within the broader NDA they all signed being a part of that franchise.
I've talked to a few of them, they get dodgy, but they're not going to say shit about the admins running the franchise most of the time, unless they're Doug Drexler. (Haven't spoken with him, but he seems to enjoy talking shit everywhere else.)
There was ample evidence to suggest CBS was close to starting a DS9 remaster and may have scanned everything in 2022, then started in 2023. I spoke to a person, and got some limited info on that, but that was shut down in 2024, god knows if that'll pick back up, but even when I spoke to them, the cat was already out of the bag.
(I timed this to Adam Savage's videos at the Paramount Archive, around the merger's completion, Paramount had 3 film archives and was dong a complete audit, and 3 years after the release of TMP, had film elements from TMP, so it looks like they're doing a broad recovery of everything possibly for the "Roddenberry Archive"?) IDK, that seems to be a possibility.
No news is good news right?
That person would have been employed to do work on that remaster.
Even then, they couldn't really say shit.
Most of what I knew about that was info from 2013-2021 when they were trying to get that off of the ground.
It almost happened around anniversaries.
So, if it started in 2018, they'd be targeting 2023.
If it started in 2023, they're likely targeting 2028, if they start in 2028, they're targeting the 40th.
The tidbit was, "Once the merger finishes, the outlook seems optimistic."
The outlook also seemed positive for Voyager.
But there isn't a confirmed start.
It would be greenlit on one anniversary, and then released by another anniversary.
While it would take 3 years to do one in 2010, they'd leave an extra 2 years for themselves to have some padding.
They built the station asset in 2018, that's the same asset for the last shot of the show, that's in the Rodenberry Archive, and STO.
It was repurposed initially for STO. Then the doc happened and at least 15-30 percent of DS9's film lot was scanned in 2019, including several whole episodes, that likely remain in their non conformed state.
How do I know Tachyon Pulse is full of shit?
Aside from him being Tachyon Pulse, when I spoke to an insider on my interest, I asked Tachyon Pulse about it. *These were within a week of each other.*
Tachyon Pulse hadn't heard anything about it, and that looks like something he'd be happy to leak, it also didn't seem like something the studio was making a real effort to hide...at the time.
My interest is on the outskirts of the franchise at his point. What can I say? I'm fond of the Outer Rim.
What bugs me is everyone clamoring for leaks of new content.
CBS' head, Paramount's Head, David Ellison, Rod Roddenberry, John Van Citters, and maybe a handful of other people would know what the plan is, and I guarantee none of them are leaking shit to Tachyon Pulse or Jon Del Arroz.
Candidates might be, I doubt Sussman is.
So, who would the other candidates be, and why would they talk to Jon Del Arroz?
I've interacted with him on X a few times, he's a moron who writes novels with AI, imo, I don't think John Van Citters would get along with any writers that would talk to Del Arroz.
Obviously, they don't keep as tight a leash on the VFX guys.
Maybe the guys at Otoy would know something, but that's a network of veterans, and imo, I don't know why the franchise doesn't employ them to build a VFX house for new productions.
It seems like that would allow for better flexibility between the Roddenberry Archive and the shows, as you'd kill two birds with one stone.
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Honestly, giving him the clicks just continues his bullshit.
They literally have penal and asylum facilities in TOS era. Burnham's punishment was consistent with TOS view of punitive measures.
She disobeyed a direct order, and got people killed.
And TNG. Ro was imprisoned on Jaros II.
Tom Paris was imprisoned in New Zealand.
To be fair, people were getting killed either way. The whole Burnham thing never sat right with me. Starfleet wasn't prepared and they used her as a scapegoat.
