New writers speak

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by King Daniel Beyond, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. mos6507

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    Over-the-top villains like Khan are nice to have, but are not necessary for every film unless you insist on conforming the franchise to the superhero comic-book mold.

    V'Ger was technically the adversary in TMP, but V'Ger didn't rug-chew the way a traditional hate-driven villain does. It created plenty of death and destruction as a byproduct of its cosmic identity crisis.

    The trick was to setup events in such a way that the Enterprise crew tries to _understand_ the adversary and not merely conquer it via phasers and fisticuffs.

    It's unfortunate that How to Train your Dragon 2 is not doing as well as the studio hoped, but that's the whole premise of that universe, that Hiccup represents engagement and peacemaking. I think there's a direct connection between how Hiccup tries to resolve conflict and how Trek (TNG especially) tried to resolve conflict.

    The problem is, culturally, we'd rather have a thrill-ride with cardboard cutout villains that can be knocked down like a videogame than to really think.
     
  2. Tosk

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    Yes, you should definitely check out all their previous credits. All of them. :D
     
  3. xavier

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    Wont it be fascinating if Star Trek 3 turns out to be a better film than Star Wars Episode 7? What are the chances of that?
     
  4. Smellmet

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    I'd say it's got a decent chance
     
  5. Serveaux

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    You mean, the movies that actually make big money for the studios.
     
  6. mos6507

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    Nemesis had an over-the-top villain in Shinzon. Didn't make big money. It takes more than a rug-chewing villain to put butts in seats.

    BTW, the top movie of the last year was Frozen, which featured a theatrical but not very "evil" villain in Elsa. Hans became the evil one, but he was not the draw of the film. If anything he dragged the film down the most, because he was the least credible.

    It's just not necessary to have over-the-top mustache-twisting villains to make money.
     
  7. xavier

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    I am a fan so I would choose quality over quantity. which means Ii rather have an excellent story and not have the film make much money bot goes on to become a classic and ends up making more money than it ever did during its run in the cinemas.

    however the big bosses in the studio care about money over a good story.

    so we all want success just different kinds of success. fans will choose quality success, the big producers will choose quantity success. so what do we do?
     
  8. Ssosmcin

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    There are other ways of creating blockbuster mayhem with exciting action and laughs without The Big Black Hat villain. It just has to “look f**king awesome” in the previews and you’ll get them in. Giant robots, exploding buildings, screaming people, some dubstep on the soundtrack and BLANG: Zillion Dollar Opening Weekend.

    Throw in a story about something a little deeper in the mix and there ya go.
     
  9. BillJ

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    If the majority of ratings sites and box office returns are to be believed, you got both with Star Trek Into Darkness.
     
  10. Foxhot

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    But for Michael Bay, There Can Only Be One.
     
  11. Coloratura

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    So what you're saying is that we need to get Queen to record the movie's title theme. I agree.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'm slowly feeling better about this movie the more I hear from these writers and also Orci is separate interviews. I'm happy at least that the movie will be set in deep space and have a more exploration based theme. I'm also glad the origin story aspect can finally be put to rest and we can get more mature versions of the characters. I was getting tired of the constant Kirk insta-promotions/demotions and the Star-Trek-90210-teen-angst feel of some of the characters. I like how the interviewer called them out on that.
     
  14. Wadjda

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    i was hoping for exploration so bad. I am pumped.
     
  15. Commishsleer

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    Blade Runner had a charismatic villain but he wasn't really the villain was he?
     
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    Roy Batty wasn't the villian, no. Tyrell, I suppose, was. He, his company, and its subsidiaries didn't just create "Replicants." They also created the situation the whole movie revolves around. And it's very clear that this is the case, because of the manner in how he meets his end. He's informed from the source as to what the problem really is with his product and given the opportunity to do something about it. When he stubbornly refuses to explore the matter farther than he already has, Tyrell gets what's coming to him. Unfortunately, though, the system is still in place and the only way to really deal with the replicant problem remains the way the system is set up to handle it.
     
  17. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because I love the Trek mythos so much and enjoy seeing stories which delve into it, and am weary after so many generic aliens of the week in TNG, VOY and ENT. Gonna keep an open mind, though.
     
  18. BigJake

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    I thought stories about exploration were most of the Trek mythos. :shrug:
     
  19. fireproof78

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    What's interesting in the mythos is the more popular aspects are the ones that are not about exploration. TWOK, TUC, FC are all epic clashes with big villains.

    Even some of the more popular TOS episodes are ones like "Balance of Terror" or the "Doomsday Machine," just as quick references.

    I personally am hoping for more exploration too, but I have a feeling it will be exposing a threat and then having to prevent it from getting to Earth.
     
  20. Coloratura

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    I'm hoping for something with a lot of suspense. I'll be interested regardless, but something that inspires the same tension I felt the first time I watched "Balance of Terror" would be awesome.