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New Voyages-"World Enough"

BoyliciousDarian said:
Broken links, overloaded servers, painfully slow connections, inability to pause or resume your download, more costly... Not very convenient!

And as for reliability, well.. direct http download is a complete joke compared against torrents, which actually get faster and more reliable as more people download simultaneously.

This is not an elitist attitude, it is a simple technological fact of the internet.

But yeah, for torrents you do have to be willing to click twice instead of just once, so I guess it would be "out of reach" for some users.

Oh please - I've been in IT since 1984 (when only Mainframes were networked). Bit Torrents ARE NOT 'faster and more reliable' (and as for my own experience with THIS Torrent, the Torrent stream crashed 8 times, so I had to nurse the thing plus watch as it sucked 33% of my upload bandwith). I averaraged 2 mbits per second on my 6 mbit DLS line; and usually, unless a site I'm downloading from has a bandwith limitation itself; I can GET it at near the 600K/sec speed.

Bit Torrents are a way to LOWER bandwith costs for the site hosting the file by sharing/using the bandwith of the various users downloading said file, to OTHER users, and nothing more (and given the cost of bandwith these days that's NOT a bad thing); so please befopre you make the 'claim' that you know what you're talking about.

It is not 'more reliable' than either FTP of HTTP protocol downloads as you can get FTP and HTTP clients that are ALSO able to resume aborted downloads.
 
BoyliciousDarian said:
Forbin said:So stick the eliteist attitudes if you please. Now that I know how to use torrent, there'll probably be no more trouble with it. I understand its intent, but my opinion of its lack of ease and convenience over simple "right click, save target as" DLing will not change.
Broken links, overloaded servers, painfully slow connections, inability to pause or resume your download, more costly... Not very convenient!

And as for reliability, well.. direct http download is a complete joke compared against torrents, which actually get faster and more reliable as more people download simultaneously.

This is not an elitist attitude, it is a simple technological fact of the internet.

But yeah, for torrents you do have to be willing to click twice instead of just once, so I guess it would be "out of reach" for some users.

I wasn't calling the technology's attitude elitist, I was calling YOURS elitist, for choosing to hurl insults and denigrate me for my supposed lack of knowledge, rather than simpley, oh, explaining the situation as you see it nicely.

IOW, why are you being such a dick?
 
BoyliciousDarian said:

But yeah, for torrents you do have to be willing to click twice instead of just once, so I guess it would be "out of reach" for some users.

Yah, I, uh pretty much lost count of the clicks after the fourth time your precious fucking torrent failed. And it wasn't the last time it failed, just the time I stopped counting.
 
Tulin said:
BoyliciousDarian said:
Forbin said:
I gotta say, as my first experience with a torrent DL, that whole system seems pretty stupid. Instead of just downloading the file you want, you download a file that then tells a proprietary new program to download the file you actually wanted in the first place?

Why not just let us DL the file we want?

Needless extra step, needless extra program. Which doesn't work for me anyway.
With respect, your comments show that you clearly don't understand how torrents work versus (inferior) direct downloading, or how internet bandwidth works in general, or else you wouldn't be passing value judgments by using words like "needless."

Indeed.

Considering within ten to fifteen years the 'net is how the majority of us will be getting our media, I kinda don't have a lot of time for people nowadays who poo-poo downloading.

But then, movie studios said tv would be a passing fad, too.


Downloading is here to stay. Either learn how to do it, or go back to listening to radio serials presented by Lux Soap on "the wireless".

I see it's a fad here in Fan Productions to be as unhelpful as possible, while also being as rude as possible. Forgive me, this is basically my first visit, I didn't know.
 
MikeH92467 said:
BoyliciousDarian said:
Forbin said:So stick the eliteist attitudes if you please. Now that I know how to use torrent, there'll probably be no more trouble with it. I understand its intent, but my opinion of its lack of ease and convenience over simple "right click, save target as" DLing will not change.
Broken links, overloaded servers, painfully slow connections, inability to pause or resume your download, more costly... Not very convenient!

And as for reliability, well.. direct http download is a complete joke compared against torrents, which actually get faster and more reliable as more people download simultaneously.

This is not an elitist attitude, it is a simple technological fact of the internet.

But yeah, for torrents you do have to be willing to click twice instead of just once, so I guess it would be "out of reach" for some users.

I had the same experience as Forbin so he's not the only one. The problems you described with downloading were exactly the ones that I ran into with the torrent. I had to download several times with various software to find a combination that worked.

There were maybe two of us who complained, but one of the lessons you quickly learn in retail sales is that only a very small fraction of your target population ever speaks up to you when they're disastisfied, although they will tell a lot of other people about their bad experience. The rest say "screw it" and never go back.

It wasn't as easy as advertised and dismissing the people who didn't find it easy as you do (especially when those people were trying it for the first time) as stupid and/or lazy won't win you any friends.

Oh and don't worry, I won't be asking you for any help with computer problems in the future. There are plenty of polite and well mannered people (who remember what's it like to be frustrated by problems which everyone assures them are easy to fix) who are glad to help.

We also work for computer companies and are up to date on the latest information and technology. :D

-J.
 
Don't worry about it, Forbin. There are plenty of people here who know information technology who have no problems helping others. I'm just happy that people want to get involved! I mean, you could just say "forget it!" and get out of it altogether, which would mean fewer customers, less customer service, fewer sales, fewer repairs, fewer servers needed, and it would get to the point where people like me, who build, repair and handle IT issues all day would no longer have a job. Yes, a majority of my business deals with large corporations, but home consumers are vital to the industry, and we as IT professionals, regardless of what service level, supply the demand.

Now, as to torrent downloading. Yes, they're new, and it's great technology, when it works. Torrents are not stable, and they're not reliable. What they are, are redundant. Where one source is lost another takes its place, but only if there's another available source. I've had torrents with 30 sources (or "seeders") fail to download. Look at it like this: You want to build yourself a car, and in this case, you have two options:

Option 1: Contact the Manufacturer, who will send you the car. The shipment's arrival date depends on how heavy traffic is on the interstate, how far away the manufacturing plant is to your shop, and how many other people are ordering the same car. Plus, it costs more to have it sent this way. Also, if the manufacturer no longer carries the model you want, you have to search elsewhere and hope someone else has it.


Option 2: You download the order form from the manufacturer who says "Here is a list of suppliers where you can get our parts". So you use the list to contact all of the suppliers. Some of them say they can send your parts, others can't. Eventually you are able to find enough suppliers to send all of the parts you need. Some parts arrive immediately within that day. Others arrive a few days later, and some don't arrive for weeks. However, you cannot complete your car until all of the parts are here, so you keep contacting other suppliers until all the parts are there. Then you can build your car. This can be a short amount of time, or a long amount of time. You are solely dependent upon the sources on that list to follow through. Now remember, many of these sources are private sources, so there are times when a bad part arrives at your doorstep and you have to wait for another one. This can be time consuming.



"Option 1" would be downloading FTP (file transfer protocol) & HTTP (hyper text transfer protocol). That's the standard "right click and save" option.


"Option 2" is torrent downloading. It's very unpredictable, and very unreliable, however, it is redundant in that many people have many pieces of the file in question.



Both work, the second one works by virtue of thousands of sources. That doesn't make it better. It just makes it more likely to get a hard to find file. Even so, bad torrents where no one updates or refreshes the location can end up with you not having your file after hours of torrenting. Believe me, I have had a file that downloaded 98%, only to stop because there are no other sources. It has happened. So no, torrenting is not better, it's just another option.

Speaking of, I tried to access the torrent last night on NV's website and the page wouldn't load. That just shows no download is superior when the page can't give you the information you need (no slight against NV, I know the server's probably overloaded and with good reason).

So don't worry about it. There's nothing "smart" about torrent downloading. It's just another option. You use what's best for you. Same goes for you, Mike! :)

J.
 
Forbin said:
I see it's a fad here in Fan Productions to be as unhelpful as possible, while also being as rude as possible. Forgive me, this is basically my first visit, I didn't know.
This is certainly not normal behavior for this forum Forbin and I hope you'll continue to post here. Just don't call anyone a dick again, OK? No matter how frustrated you might get.

Unfortunately, I've been a little tied up with the Dreaded Real Life the past week or so and haven't been as active online as I need to be. For that, I apologize.
 
Could please someone tell me what Sulu is saying at 31:08 (Sickbay)?

Friends were.............. hobbies mere diversion.

Thanks a lot!
 
From the shot script:

Sulu gazes at Lisa's picture on the monitor, grows thoughtful
as the drug takes effect.


SULU


To be snatched from everything you
know, dropped down in a wilderness,
have to build your life up from
nothing, with your bare hands...
only one thing will let you do that *
and survive.


(drifting, to McCoy)
Before all this, I was on the
career track to captain. Friends
were for off-hours, hobbies mere
diversion. Family? Not in the
equation. But then...

********************************************************

Also a reminder to the people above having issues getting the episode. Our "Warp Speed Steam" from Dragonfly and Verisign is now up and running on our site www.startreknewvoyages.com Make sure to have your popup blocker off as that sometime prevents the movie from starting.

-CR
 
Larkin,
P.M. me, I will see about getting you the script.
Best,
James Cawley
Exec. Producer
 
I managed to watch this last night. I won't post an exhaustive critique (I might later), but my main conclusions are:

1. The script was, in my opinion, TOS-quality. A good but not great script.

2. The performance of the female lead character was simply amazing.

3. George Takei, whose acting performances usually don't greatly impress me, did a great job. He was much better here than on his "Voyager" episode.

4. The special effects threw me out of the story from time to time. I suspect the next few episodes will see some improvement.

5. The actors playing the major characters have improved substantially. It is still amateur quality, but the potential is starting to show. Bones has improved a lot from the first episode, and Scotty is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. Cawley continues to improve with his version of Kirk. I just hope he stops acting with his nose and facial muscles so often.

I hope all of them keep up the acting lessons because it is working!

6. I need to re-watch it to see where it happens, but we got a unique shot of the bridge which I just loved. There were some shots which appear to have been made with a hand- held camera. Loved it! We got a lot of that in early TOS, but not so much later on.

Overall, fantastic job. One a scale of 1-10 I give it a 7, and I don't rate more than 20 TOS episodes higher than that.
 
I actually knew that. I guess I'd had one too many beers when I wrote that post. Edit has been made. Thanks!
 
I found the episode entertaining. The fx were good, the acting improved and George Takei was a gem to watch. Christina Moses also did a bang up job and I agree, total lust.
 
roger1999 said:
Scotty is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

No, he's worse. He just doesn't pull it off. He sounds like someone poorly attempting to fake a Scottish accent. If he could work on the accent and make it sound more natural and put a little more emotion into it, it would do wonders for the character.

The rest of the episode was excellent! The actress that played Alana turned in a movie quality performance. She was great! Takei did an excellent job also.
 
NiteTrek said:
roger1999 said:
Scotty is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

No, he's worse. He just doesn't pull it off. He sounds like someone poorly attempting to fake a Scottish accent. If he could work on the accent and make it sound more natural and put a little more emotion into it, it would do wonders for the character.

Wow dude you've really got it in for me huh? Sorry that you don't like my work that much. I am trying, and I think if you look at my progression of the accent through IHW, TSAMD, and now WEAT you will see that it has only gotten better. As I have stated in previous post I do have some additional coaching going on for the next episode, but I'm going to be honest with you I don't really feel that my accent is all that horrible.

As for emotion, honestly you didn't think that my exchange with George in the transporter was emotional enough? Or when Christine and I were in the holostatis room and shared a chuckle?

You've got to remember that some of the level of emotion is how the story is written or what the director ask of you, not entirely the actor's decision.

Some background; it's not like I'm some guy walking in off the street that was sweeping the floors for New Voyages and they asked if I wanted to play "Scotty", I do have a theater background, so I'm not just completely winging it (I'm only half winging it)

Just know that I do read EVERY post that comes to this site about New Voyages and in the end I'm just a person like you who's doing something he really enjoys and that is portraying "Scotty" with a group of people that are like family to me, I'm not looking for an Oscar, and I have never said I'm the worlds greatest actor, I'm open to constructive criticism, but sometimes I'm going to respond if I think the criticism is overly harsh. There's polite ways to express concern and there's mean ways.

Hopefully together we can discuss concerns politely

Kind Regards

Charles Root
 
vtcrusade said:
NiteTrek said:
roger1999 said:
Scotty is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

No, he's worse. He just doesn't pull it off. He sounds like someone poorly attempting to fake a Scottish accent. If he could work on the accent and make it sound more natural and put a little more emotion into it, it would do wonders for the character.

Wow dude you've really got it in for me huh? Sorry that you don't like my work that much. I am trying, and I think if you look at my progression of the accent through IHW, TSAMD, and now WEAT you will see that it has only gotten better. As I have stated in previous post I do have some additional coaching going on for the next episode, but I'm going to be honest with you I don't really feel that my accent is all that horrible.

As for emotion, honestly you didn't think that my exchange with George in the transporter was emotional enough? Or when Christine and I were in the holostatis room and shared a chuckle?

You've got to remember that some of the level of emotion is how the story is written or what the director ask of you, not entirely the actor's decision.

Some background; it's not like I'm some guy walking in off the street that was sweeping the floors for New Voyages and they asked if I wanted to play "Scotty", I do have a theater background, so I'm not just completely winging it (I'm only half winging it)

Just know that I do read EVERY post that comes to this site about New Voyages and in the end I'm just a person like you who's doing something he really enjoys and that is portraying "Scotty" with a group of people that are like family to me, I'm not looking for an Oscar, and I have never said I'm the worlds greatest actor, I'm open to constructive criticism, but sometimes I'm going to respond if I think the criticism is overly harsh. There's polite ways to express concern and there's mean ways.

Hopefully together we can discuss concerns politely

Kind Regards

Charles Root

Personally, I think you're doing a very good job as Scotty. I don't even pay attention to the accent because God knows Scotty's accent is legendary among Trek fans, and it's very difficult to fill the shoes of someone who was as much a voice actor as a character actor. In regards to character, I think you're getting Scotty's mannerisms and attitude down quite well, and yes, I believe you've improved ten fold between "In Harm's Way" and "WEaT". The point is that everyone on the show filling a role, whether they be Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Sulu, Chekov, Uhura or Scotty (and all of the other fine roles), has some very large shoes to fill. I think NV is doing a great job in continuing a legacy that deserves the chance to keep telling wonderful stories.

That's just my personal opinion. Keep up the good work. I'll be avidly watching the show. :)

J.
 
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