New Voyages-"World Enough"

[lennier1]

Looking forward to an official torrent (the link above only lists material up to episode 2). That way they get their registered downloads (for promo reasons or for some negotiations) and the fans can still support the NV team by taking some load off their servers.

 

[Phantassm]

Greetings,
great episode. I was moved by it several times and just being able to see MORE of the personalities of the regular characters is a treat. I guess I am getting soft in my older years...great job James. You do us all a monumental favor by feeding upon what has made star trek great and giving us more...and FREE of charge! You're a good man and one day-I would really like to meet you. Thank you!

 

[chardman]

Something's starting to smell a bit fishy about this.

Don't see why you'd think so. They want a record of how many times their film is viewed, and that can only be done if they control the download servers, and can prevent downloads from being made available from other uncountable servers.

Why do NV want this info? It's the only means available to them to learn just how popular their offering is. These "download" numbers are the Net's equivalent to Nielsen ratings or Box Office totals.

Why does CBS care? Because it serves as a barometer of sorts, as to just how much demand there is for a property that they happen to own. They'll never produce new Trek for television unless they have some indication that there's actually a demand. Gathering viewership numbers and other such data on fan productions, as well as the upcoming Trek movie, will allow them to access that demand.

 

[chardman]

And on to other matters...

I just saw it, and I'm secure enough in my masculinity to admit that I spent a great deal of it crying like a baby. This production managed to touch a chord in me that modern Trek has consistently failed to touch.

George was magnificent. That's easily one of the best performances he's ever delivered.

And there's no way I can say enough about the incredible Christina Moses, so I'm not even going to try.

And while I never though I'd ever say it, I have to admit that as of now, as far as I'm concerned, Cawley is as much Kirk as Shatner ever was, and he's done it by losing the Shatnerisms and instead making the character his own. He's got the character down. Admittedly, he still has some room to grow as an actor, but simply to put a bit of polish on the outside of what's already there on the inside.

 

[KennyB]

Does anyone have this in WMP format? I downloaded the torrent from trekmovie.com but the playback with QT on my OLD PC is quite jumpy.......audio is smooth but video is hanging up.........any suggestions?

 

[chardman]

Download a mp4 specific player from tucows or download.com. Because these players are format specific, they're usually smaller, and take up fewer resources than QT.

 

[Tulin]

Just saw it. MAGNIFICENT!

I downloaded the QT file and then watched it on my telly. It was truly like getting a new ST episode. Once all the hoohah dies down re:the streaming thing or whatever it is I will register somewhere and add my "Neilsen point".

The Excelsior bookend thing was GREAT. The ending actually had me crying. Not sure about the next ep, mind. I think it might be a little late for the whole "AIDS as analogy" thing.

One very minor nitpick however I would like to address. This episode still has the whole eyeline problem. The director and editor need to be aware of where and whom characters are looking at. For instance, in the scene where Uhura leaves sickbay, Sulu looks to screen left, to her, as she leaves. Cut to Uhura and she is looking back at him but is ALSO looking to screen left. Regardless of which side of the room she was on, from a tv pov she should have been looking back to screen right, in opposite to the direction he was looking. This just makes the scene feel "right". As it was, it felt odd, as if both were looking away. This happens other times as well with some editing choices giving the impression continuity is off(a character may be talking to somebody and then in the next cut is seen walking away, without a "turn around and start walking" establishing action). These may seem like minor nitpicks but these choices pull me out of scenes at times and with experience I am sure will help make the show seem even more like professional product.

Oh and one final thing, was that Denise Crosby at the end in the credits? And what happened to the bit where we see Kirk standing on the transporter platform in an Archer style uniform? Do we have an ENT crossover episode coming? I can imagine most of those actors would be eager to do anything Trek related any time!

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

chardman said:

Something's starting to smell a bit fishy about this.

Don't see why you'd think so. They want a record of how many times their film is viewed, and that can only be done if they control the download servers, and can prevent downloads from being made available from other uncountable servers.

Why do NV want this info? It's the only means available to them to learn just how popular their offering is. These "download" numbers are the Net's equivalent to Nielsen ratings or Box Office totals.

Why does CBS care? Because it serves as a barometer of sorts, as to just how much demand there is for a property that they happen to own. They'll never produce new Trek for television unless they have some indication that there's actually a demand. Gathering viewership numbers and other such data on fan productions, as well as the upcoming Trek movie, will allow them to access that demand.

Well said.

I work and go to school at a non-profit college, where donations help to keep said college afloat. They often use things such as attendance rates, etc. in their short-term and long-term business plans as a means of generating funds from outside sources such as donors. The numbers will help the NV team when it comes to future productions, so as that they can go to these donors and say we are making a difference. As much as it is to prove to CBS/Paramount the value of their property, it is much more to help the NV team with the resources they can acquire for future productions; at least, how I gauge it from their own forum.

 

[Arlo]

If they had offered the torrent from the get-go, they would be in a much better position. They could have recorded how many times the torrent file was downloaded, and because it would have been so easily available from their site, there would have been *less* incentive to post it to outside trackers/BT sites.

I suppose the "streaming-only" edict was also meant as a sort of communal thing, an "Event" if you will. In my mind, there's nothing more communal than thousands upon thousands of people simultaneously downloading and distributing the episode at once. An up-front torrent would have achieved all their goals, in my mind. Hopefully they'll address this for the next episode.

 

[thomaspc]

I got it from a torrent site and I think its the best New Voyages episode so far.

 

[lonewriter]

I just hope we don't have to keep waiting like we are for Of Gods and Man.

 

[Tom]

lonewriter said:
I just hope we don't have to keep waiting like we are for Of Gods and Man.

We have been having alot of discussions during this issue with WeaT to make sure we don't have these same distribution issues with OGAM. While we need to track OGAM also there are many ways to do it while keeping it easy for fans to get it, make the internet work for you not against you, I say

 

[Trek1701]

FleetLord said:

lonewriter said:
I just hope we don't have to keep waiting like we are for Of Gods and Man.

We have been having alot of discussions during this issue with WeaT to make sure we don't have these same distribution issues with OGAM. While we need to track OGAM also there are many ways to do it while keeping it easy for fans to get it, make the internet work for you not against you, I say

Will OGaM be released in the same basis of streaming only or downloads will be "intentionally" available?

 

[Full_Metal_Trek]

Ideally fan productions could just be posted to capable hosting sites but I think there must be a variety of rights and for-profit issues involved that would make people hesitate in doing so. Once a production like ST:NV is on something like YouTube then traffic and advertising money is being driven to YouTube / Google's pockets. No matter how small, it might be taken as a for profit activity (even if the profit is not in the fans' pockets) and in violation of the lenient terms fans are allowed to make their own films. This reasoning is the only one I can think of that would drive someone to try and distributed big videos to the massive fanbase of Trekker and Trekkie viewers.

I think the ST:NV team is at a real turning point where something that started as a fun (but expensive) weekend project needs to decide if it goes into the big time and how it can go about doing that. With so many ST actors getting involved, a technical crew rivaling TV and cable productions, and it's existing getting more known outside of fan circles, this week's premier was probably just the first of many growing pains to come.

 

[Tom]

Trek1701 said:

FleetLord said:

lonewriter said:
I just hope we don't have to keep waiting like we are for Of Gods and Man.

We have been having alot of discussions during this issue with WeaT to make sure we don't have these same distribution issues with OGAM. While we need to track OGAM also there are many ways to do it while keeping it easy for fans to get it, make the internet work for you not against you, I say

Will OGaM be released in the same basis of streaming only or downloads will be "intentionally" available?

It is strongly leaning towards downloads and possibly on some bigger video sites that count views also, still in discusion though. My point is if the distribution is real easy for fans than people wont feel compelled to share with friends or use other illegal means of distributing it there by total skewing any tracking numbers you hope to get. Work with the trends of the Internet, not against it, but keep in control!

I'm just afraid now for WeaT, MTO is offline, that will force demand and cause it to spiral out of control with sharing and other means thereby total fucking up any numbers you hope to record. IMO they need to put up a trackable download solution right away or be forced to throw out any numbers they hope to get.

 

[Tom]

Full_Metal_Trek said:
Ideally fan productions could just be posted to capable hosting sites but I think there must be a variety of rights and for-profit issues involved that would make people hesitate in doing so. Once a production like ST:NV is on something like YouTube then traffic and advertising money is being driven to YouTube / Google's pockets. No matter how small, it might be taken as a for profit activity (even if the profit is not in the fans' pockets) and in violation of the lenient terms fans are allowed to make their own films. This reasoning is the only one I can think of that would drive someone to try and distributed big videos to the massive fanbase of Trekker and Trekkie viewers.

An interesting point, however I don't think CBS looks at it that way. From the fan filmmaker point of view, those sites are providing a free service for you, so if they make some money via advertising (google ads etc..) that does not bother you to much

 

[J-Lo]

FleetLord said:
An interesting point, however I don't think CBS looks at it that way. From the fan filmmaker point of view, those sites are providing a free service for you, so if they make some money via advertising (google ads etc..) that does not bother you to much

Adding to the agreement between STNV and the "suits" I'll jump in for one quick PERSONAL comment on this.

Being one of the many who basically invested their life for a few years into bringing STNV alive (and practically living on set for OGaM in NY), I have a BIG problem with anyone profiting and leaving "us" out of the money loop. We've invested too much for nothing for someone else to step in and rape us financially.

 

[Tom]

J-Lo said:

FleetLord said:
An interesting point, however I don't think CBS looks at it that way. From the fan filmmaker point of view, those sites are providing a free service for you, so if they make some money via advertising (google ads etc..) that does not bother you to much

Adding to the agreement between STNV and the "suits" I'll jump in for one quick PERSONAL comment on this.

Being one of the many who basically invested their life for a few years into bringing STNV alive (and practically living on set for OGaM in NY), I have a BIG problem with anyone profiting and leaving "us" out of the money loop. We've invested too much for nothing for someone else to step in and rape us financially.

Agreed, but concider sites that mirror for you or help distribute the episode, quite a few of them have Google Ad's and people are going to there site to get your film and may see a google ad and click them. Has there been any concern over that? I can't imagine there would be much since they are helping you for free (bandwidth expense) so in a sense it is a trade off, especialy since the revenue (if any mind you) is indirect and small. This was point i was making with youtube.

Now, if someone tries to sell New Voyages episodes at a convention or online that is BAD, BAD and very BAD. Fry the bastards .

Just trying to seperate the use of service with indirect minor revenue with direct revenue via theft and sale.

 

[Tulin]

Again......what happened to the Kirk in Archer uniform storyline and is that Denise Crosby at the end in the credits?

 

[igrokbok]

Hmm. I wasn't blown away by this like so many seem to be. Yes, the package was pretty, but remove the pretty trappings and you were still left with a servicable story delivered by folks who really should never have been put in front of a camera. Even George, who has never been that great an actor, ran hot and cold. His daughter however...she is the barometer here. THAT is pro quality. THAT is the caliber that seperates the home-made from the pros.
Yes, the production looked phenominal. The lighting was awesome. The sound was fantastic. The sets and costumes, we know, are flawless. And the FX were mouthwatering. The story was decent, even if the "I lived a lifetime in 30 seconds" plot has been done one too many times in sci- fi.

But the acting, well, there's no nice way to say it. It's is just bad. Sorry, but it is. I'm not going to sugar coat it because they are trying to persuade CBS to let them charge for it. I can tell these guys really want to be taken seriously by the professionalism being brought to the behind-the-scenes production. They need to bring that same attitude to the "In front of the scenes" production. Get a good solid cast in front of the camera and they'll really hit it out of the ball park.
I know, I know, it's Cawley's sandbox. Question is, does he want to keep playing, or does he want to get serious and make $? If new voyages really wants CBS to entertain the thought of giving them all a piece of the pie, they need to be ready to stop playing and get down to business and be prepared to do what needs to be done to make it work. I'm just not sure, with all the gushing and fanboy applause, that they can honestly see the forest for the trees.