New TOS ship design

[TK421]

Okay, I like the idea, but I don't think this design practical as it stands.

Here are my problems, for what they're worth.

Real aircraft carriers have a crew of 5,000 for example.

Where is the crew that's going to fly all these shuttles? Where are the spare parts and maintenance workshops?

Lastly, if the shuttles are going to evacuate people, for example, where are all the people going to stay?

I can see a use for the large hangar, bringing in satellites and large ships for repair.

My solution would be to clone the top and put into underneath in a mirror image. Sandwiched in between can be the bridge and deflector dish. The lower section can be accommodation, shops, medical bays etc.

Or add a tower like on an aircraft carrier. With bridge and accommodation in there, which might be fun.

 

[B.J.]

I agree that you need more space for spare parts and maintenance shops. If this is a cramped ship, perhaps you could scale down the corridors (which seem a bit wide) and use some of that space.

But I love that basketball half-court!

In any case, top-notch work!

 

[Hyperspace05]

Very nice work! Sweet deck plans, it is looking better and better.

Nice touch with the bowling alley as well...

 

[MarianLH]

if the shuttles are going to evacuate people, for example, where are all the people going to stay?

I imagine temporary bunks could be rigged in the cargo area, much as they were in the ships that carried US soldiers to Europe for WWII.


Marian

 

[backstept]

fantastic work!
I always like looking at deck plans

 

[Klondike307]

Here are my problems, for what they're worth.

Real aircraft carriers have a crew of 5,000 for example.

Where is the crew that's going to fly all these shuttles? Where are the spare parts and maintenance workshops?

The Hawk is not nearly as large as a Nimitz Class Carrier. Look at the enterprise which is as large as a Nimitz, it only has a crew of 400. The shuttle pilots and technicians are accounted for in the crew roster in my last post. There are 180 beds on the ship and only a standard crew of 100, there is plenty of room for more.

There are two workshops in the rear of A Deck. The Cargo bay can be used to store spare parts and temperary work and repair shops.

Lastly, if the shuttles are going to evacuate people, for example, where are all the people going to stay?

Like I said before, there are 80 extra beds. Also the cargo bay can be filled with cots and used as a shelter (Think of schools that turn there gym into a shelter during hurricanes or other disasters)

Or add a tower like on an aircraft carrier. With bridge and accommodation in there, which might be fun.

Thats the first thing I thought of when I started but couldn't get it to work the way I wanted it to.

 

[largo]

very nice, i like it. a ship like this doesn't need specific areas allocated for specific tasks, it's more a huge flying warehouse where you can stash a ton of stuff and haul it around at warp.

 

[Santaman]

Neat ship you got there, a design like that could also function as a dock support ship for a moving drydock, holding materials and workbees and giving the work crew a place to bunk.

 

[BorgMan]

I agree with the statement that it needs more room to stash people and equipment. Don't forget that those shuttles need to be fueled as well.

 

[TK421]

Maybe add a blister or two on the underside for refueling tanks?

 

[Klondike307]

I made a major change that will make most of you happy. I was hesitant to change the design at first but looking at it now, I really think it looks better. Thanks to Herkimer Jitty for the inspiration for the look of the lower hull! Still need to add some windows phasers and other details to the front and add more detail to the deflector. The impulse engine is on the back of the lower hull were the hull angle changes. I haven’t found another place for the nacelles yet that I’m crazy about. I guess I’ll have to update the deck plans soon.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I made a major change that will make most of you happy. I was hesitant to change the design at first but looking at it now, I really think it looks better. Thanks to Herkimer Jitty for the inspiration for the look of the lower hull! Still need to add some windows phasers and other details to the front and add more detail to the deflector. The impulse engine is on the back of the lower hull were the hull angle changes. I haven’t found another place for the nacelles yet that I’m crazy about. I guess I’ll have to update the deck plans soon.

One thing to think about re: nacelle placements... and note that this wasn't exactly established during TOS, but is one of those "axioms" of Federation design which was established (yet occasionally broken) in TNG-and-later Trek.

It's a rule of thumb that nacelles come in pairs... that's fine (though there's another thread where we've discussed this ad-nauseum... for me, it's not that they have to come in pairs but that you have to have a minimum of three sets of warp coils in order to be able to steer, and four sets (in a rectangular arrangement, typically two per nacelle).

No problem, you've got that part. But there's another warp-design rule to be followed as well. And that's that the nacelles (and particularly the "field-generation" portions of them) need to have line-of-sight... typically, that means that the aftmost 75% or so of a nacelle needs to be able to see the adjacent one(s).

This does sort of make sense, if you think about it... if the two nacelles interact in some fashion, then there might be some really weird space/time effects occurring in the region between the nacelles (or rather, the region between the coil sets).

SO... for this design, I'd be inclined towards having the nacelles off of pylons extending downwards from the edges of the "main deck" region (you know what I mean, I hope)... possibly straight down, possibly at a bit of an angle outwards, but not too great of an angle.

This would give them "line of sight" in the aftwards "notch" of your newly-added habitation section... and would also make the whole design more balanced (in terms of mass, not appearance, understand) which would make it fit better with your proposed impulse engine location... the idea that both the nacelles and the impulse engine would be at the same vertical height, and that (with all the open space in the hangar versus a denser structure below) there would be roughly equal mass above and below both propulsive systems.

One more thing I might do... I noticed in your layout that you have a lengthwise corridor between the two bay control rooms (along the top of the hull). You might want to actually extend that a bit, and expand it a bit... make it an inspection/viewing corridor running the length of the top of the ship. With lounges, snack-bars, etc, along the length. It'd have one heck of a view! (And if I were doing it, I might even give some portions a "glass floor" through which you could view the hangar interior.)

Just a suggestion...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

You ought to be very careful about attacking the work of others. And FYI, those designs are in no way "kitbashed." They actually make plausible sense, and one actually uses NO pre-existing components or design elements whatsoever.

I'm sorry you, personally, don't care for them. But you just insulted a couple of people who are well-respected in Trek fandom and one of whom regularly posts (and reads) in this forum. Aridas' "Ariel" design is terrific, as far as I'm concerned, and not one feature in that was just "cut-and-pasted" from any other image or design. He made new features which resemble, but are not identical to, existing ones.

At the risk of sounding "nitpicky", isn't Ariel supposed to be an attempt at "rationalizing" the McQuarrie-prise from "Planet of Titans"?

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Here's something I just whipped up that solves the nacelle line-of-sight issue as well as adding a little something to what you've already got going here.

I think adding the Constitution-esque deflector housing breaks up the boxy look of the secondary hull while giving it a familiar TOS element that could be used on any starship. The nacelle pylons are then angled down to give the nacelles line of sight.

 

[RedSpar]

OooOoohh Flux, that is tres cool. I think you're on to something there.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Thanks! I left it out of the drawing, but I was imagining the impulse deck could be placed in the, for lack of a better word, "armpit" of the secondary hull on the same plane as the warp nacelles.

Edit: Figured I'd just show where I mean

 

[RedSpar]

Yeah that is where I would put it too

 

[Wingsley]

If you consider the possibility that the nacelles could be housings for the bulk of a Federation starship's fuel, it would make sense to locate the impulse and warp engines of the same plane so they could have balance while at sublight (thrust-based) velocity.

Yes, that's a great idea.

 

[Klondike307]

Here is the updated design based on Flux’s sketches. I’m liking this ship more and more. Thanks for all the input guys and keep the suggestions coming!

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Awesome! You may want to angle the pylons down a bit more, I can't tell but I don't think the engines have complete line of sight. Other than that, it's really shaping up.