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[Kobayshi Maru]

I was reading yesterday, the mention of just the one lung in Kes in Before and After, where she was blowing out the candles on her birthday cake... If Neelix was dying in a bio bed 5 feet from Kes' biotemporal chamber, well it seems that the camera did not pan in that direction.

Neelix is a biological marvel, take Rise for example. A guy with only one lung should have passed out and died under these extreme conditions. Yet not only does he pilot the elevator thing but he does it after having been kicked in the head. Imagine how strong he would have been with his own two lungs. He probably would have beaten the wiz out of the bad guy!

 

[Lynx]

Unfortunately, the mystery with Neelix's lung is just another example of sloppy writing.

In BB&T:s universe anyone can be struck by the most severe accident or disease, got their head chopped off or being shot to pieces.............and be normal and perfect again in the next episode as if nothing has happened at all.

Typical for their "ah, it doesn't matter, the viewers won't notice" attitude.

it would actually have been better if Neelix simply had got his lungs back from the Vidiians in "Phage" instead of damaging the character in the first place and then forget everything about it the next day.

 

[Makarov]

The lung episode was just bad and there's no way around it... I think a better ending would be a robotic lung replacement or something. Anything other than two characters having one lung and then never mentioning it again. I still can't get over the fact they had to go as far as removing character's lungs for a storyline so early into the show.

I'm up to Scorpion Part II in my first ever complete Voyager watch. I don't think Scorpion holds up to the TNG two parters (except reunification which bored me), but it's still pretty good.

I think I'm going to miss Kes being on the show since I found her to be one of the best acted characters on the show. Her character never but she was still more interesting than Troi. She was more interesting at the beginning when Neelix and her were a couple though.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

That's also kind of a design flaw in the whole Vidian concept. Their medical technology is far more advanced than Federation technology, okay. So they haven't figured out how to clone organs or create artificial ones? Or, I dunno, find the Vidian equivalent of baboons and use them for their organ farms? Evolutionarily related species on the same planet have got to have more similar organs than completely alien species.

As for rise, maybe Ocampan lungs are particularly good at utilizing oxygen.

 

[tomswift2002]

As for rise, maybe Ocampan lungs are particularly good at utilizing oxygen.

You guys are forgetting that before the Vidiians transferred the lung, Kes' lung was incompatible with Talaxian physiology. So something in the Vidiian medical converter was able to make an Ocampan lung compatible with Talaxian physiology. Remember the whole point for the holographic lungs in the first place (and the ridiculous restraining chamber) was because Talaxian physiology was very different from any other physiology on Voyager.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The Vidiians would have made it not just a compatible lung but a super lung and that's why there were no scenes of Neelix panting in the kitchen.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

The lung episode was just bad and there's no way around it... I think a better ending would be a robotic lung replacement or something. Anything other than two characters having one lung and then never mentioning it again. I still can't get over the fact they had to go as far as removing character's lungs for a storyline so early into the show.

I'm up to Scorpion Part II in my first ever complete Voyager watch. I don't think Scorpion holds up to the TNG two parters (except reunification which bored me), but it's still pretty good.

I think I'm going to miss Kes being on the show since I found her to be one of the best acted characters on the show. Her character never but she was still more interesting than Troi. She was more interesting at the beginning when Neelix and her were a couple though.

I liked her interactions with the Doctor. I miss their conversations.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I have finished The Year Of Hell. Poor Voyager! Glad it was corrected.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Have you ever tried to overclock your PC?

Read about it maybe?

(Seen Red Dwarf: White Hole?)

Double the efficiency, halve the life time.

Quadruple the efficiency, quarter the the life time.

Ets, etc, etc.

 

[Melakon]

Well, they couldn't do "Neelix's Brain" because we'd already seen something like that, and we already know the Federation had artificial heart technology. And nobody would have cared if it was "Neelix's Appendix".

 

[Silvercrest]

Now that you mention it Ocampans don't have much time to do anything else but breed quick and die..

Like those little rodents kids have as pets...

Looked at that way, it makes sense to pair her up with the Hedgehog.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Do people still make those gerbil jokes?

(I bet those are wrong now)

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I really enjoyed "Mortal Coil". Very interesting in dealing with the afterlife. Also I don't usually care for children on tv shows but Naomi is adorable! After I finished the episode I did a search to see when she appears again. I was saddened to learn that I won't see her until S5

On an unrelated note, I hate Janeway's current hairstyle. Can't wait for it to grow out a bit.

 

[Melakon]

I think "Mortal Coil" does an excellent job as a sci-fi interpretation on what goes through religious peoples' heads (and not just Christians) when they experience a crisis of faith. Bewilderment, anger-- perhaps Ethan Phillips' grandest moment.

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

Kes was a problem from the get-go. Those of her race only live nine years. She'd have to age (by human proportion) almost a decade a year. Add to that the whole giving birth from the back thing. I'm not prone to lying up at night wondering about this stuff, but there is just no way a being like that would look as human as she did. Then, she's telepathic. She's rapidly turning into a character that sounds like an entry in some Make Up A Character contest.

On top of that, the actress then develops an allergy to her makeup. Imagine if that had happened to Leonard Nimoy!

I liked the actress, but I really do wonder what they had in mind with that character, had things worked as they (presumably) planned...

Also, the whole Maquis thing. I'm of the opinion that a character or concept is best if it's basics can be described in one sentence. Imagine watching Voyager with someone who doesn't watch Star Trek. Imagine trying to answer their questions about this stuff without the feeling that for them this is just getting too involved to spend time on. I think this is a large part of the perception that Star Trek is too weird to watch. Answering the question of "What's that thing over his eyes?", or "Why does he have pointed ears?" was one thing, those were easy to grasp. The Maquis thing I think was just too much, for I think even many of us weren't 100% fluent enough in it to answer. And for what little payoff there ended up being with them in the series, I really don't believe they were worth it.

 

[Melakon]

The problem with the Maquis is they basically did away with the entire movement offscreen. They're set up as early as TNG, given more development in DS9, and all to prep them for Voyager. Then, when VOY's writers couldn't figure out how to work them into the premise, we get a throwaway line about them being wiped out.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kes was a problem from the get-go. Those of her race only live nine years. She'd have to age (by human proportion) almost a decade a year. Add to that the whole giving birth from the back thing. I'm not prone to lying up at night wondering about this stuff, but there is just no way a being like that would look as human as she did. Then, she's telepathic. She's rapidly turning into a character that sounds like an entry in some Make Up A Character contest.

On top of that, the actress then develops an allergy to her makeup. Imagine if that had happened to Leonard Nimoy!

I liked the actress, but I really do wonder what they had in mind with that character, had things worked as they (presumably) planned...

Also, the whole Maquis thing. I'm of the opinion that a character or concept is best if it's basics can be described in one sentence. Imagine watching Voyager with someone who doesn't watch Star Trek. Imagine trying to answer their questions about this stuff without the feeling that for them this is just getting too involved to spend time on. I think this is a large part of the perception that Star Trek is too weird to watch. Answering the question of "What's that thing over his eyes?", or "Why does he have pointed ears?" was one thing, those were easy to grasp. The Maquis thing I think was just too much, for I think even many of us weren't 100% fluent enough in it to answer. And for what little payoff there ended up being with them in the series, I really don't believe they were worth it.

She was almost 2 in the pilot.

The plan had to have been that she dies of old age, happy about her wonderful life on Voyager in the final episode.

The montage would have been extraordinary.

 

[Drone]

She was almost 2 in the pilot.

The plan had to have been that she dies of old age, happy about her wonderful life on Voyager in the final episode.

The montage would have been extraordinary.

In a better world, we should have seen the Circle of Life, Voyager style. Janeway's respect, concern, and care for the Ocampa trapped the crew in the DQ. The respect, empathy, and love of an Ocampan for her companions is the engine, ultimately, for their return home. The true Gift......

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

That would have been totally gaggy.

 

[Drone]

Well, " a better world" is often a euphemism for a construct that is unrealistic, impractical, quixotic, and one where the results might likely be diametrically opposite to those that were intended. So, just take it in that context.

But a person can always dream.....