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Are you dealing Meth teacake?
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Are the Noobz sleeping?
15 minutes till the witching hour.
Storms a'blowing too.
'Had washing on the line for 3 days
But the sky won't stop pissing down.
Storms a'blowing too.
'Had washing on the line for 3 days
But the sky won't stop pissing down.
Nothing. If you weren't there, the animal would eat the plant anyway, and you'd never know about it. It's just a normal act of nature.Or, the example I like to ponder: if an endangered animal is about to eat an endangered plant, what do you do?
Which is a point in itself: nature = ethics made easy.
For example, it wasn't "wrong" for the dinosaurs to be wiped out. It just was.
I don't recall it being easy at all for Janeway to make her decision. Something had to be done. I can easily envision people (people, generally speaking) having a problem if she had decided to let Tuvix live on, ethically saying 'whatever will be, will be'.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
First off, what was the rush about killing Tuvix? You see, these two situations aren't equivalent. As long as Tuvix exists, Tuvok and Neelix can be revived. However, once Tuvix is dead, there's no way to bring him back. How about, wait for as long as it takes for the doctor to find a way to get them all (Maybe by duplicating them, the way Riker had been duplicated, except on one side you'd have Tuvok and Neelix and on the other Tuvix)? Details like this make Janeway really stupid and barbaric.
There is no single "correct" position in interpreting the story. I don't see it as a right-to-life story at all, but as a hostage situation. Starting off, Tuvix seems agreeable to waiting for a solution to getting Tuvok and Neelix back. But when the time comes and Janeway says do it, he's suddenly 'I changed my mind, meet my new demands.' Keeping Tuvix alive until there's a solution where all 3 can exist may never arrive, and the need to keep him from harm means restricting him from potentially dangerous ship security and landing party situations, which in turn weakens the ship.
I don't think that's a good analogy. At the beginning Tuvix was going along with it because he didn't see himself as a separate individual. Then by the time the solution was found he did see himself that way.
It's a pretty straightforward decision of choosing some lives to hold more value than other lives, and it was clearly an emotional decision based on her friendship with Tuvok and Neelix. If it was two strangers she wouldn't have made the same decision.
It's a pretty straightforward decision of choosing some lives to hold more value than other lives, and it was clearly an emotional decision based on her friendship with Tuvok and Neelix. If it was two strangers she wouldn't have made the same decision.
Wow! That was a great season opener! The Gift was excellent as well. I have a feeling S4 will be the best season yet! Seven Of Nine is so intriguing.
Say "Goodbye Kes".
It's going to be three more years before Neelix gets any more strange.
It's going to be three more years before Neelix gets any more strange.
I didn't say it was good, I said there's no correct way to interpret the story, and that's how I've always done it. For me, it's not a moral decision but a military one.
What about intent?
Where the writers intending on splitting the vote, or were they thinking that everyone would be relieved that Janeway finally made the right decision, or that everyone was going to hate the Captain?
Where the writers intending on splitting the vote, or were they thinking that everyone would be relieved that Janeway finally made the right decision, or that everyone was going to hate the Captain?
The problem is Janeway makes the only possible decision that would allow the show to continue without a major casting change. It might have worked better as a 2-parter for more interpretation of raised questions, but the choice Janeway makes is the only one right for the show's format.
So they would never kick an actor/character to the Kirb, for no reason with no warning?
3 episodes later, Culluh and Seska, booted to afford better special effects.
They weren't fired so much as the budget for supplemental characters was absorbed by the CGI rendering budget.
Oh, I'm busting your balls, it's very unlikely that they would have... But that being said, "anyone" could have been Tuvixed, and then been got rid of. Maybe TPTB wern't going to extract these actors at this point, but if they had to get rid of someone, this ridiculous fake science could have been saved for that contingincy to explain where Kim had gone, or why he now looked like Jeri Ryan.
In Doctor Who, in the 1960s, one of the actors broke his leg. The story that month was set in "the land of fiction" where everything was super meta and they kept running afoul of story book characters... One of the main cast (the character) was (in story) shot by a musket, but instead of being dead with a hole in him, he'd been "magically" turned into a card board cutout but his face was just a blank smudge of nothing. 2 feet to the left of this cutoutstandup was a board that had an indentikit of face parts (photgraphs cut into strips) of more than just the charactrer who had been "shot". The Doctor (the hero of the show) realized that this was a game, and that his friend would be returned to him after he had reassemled the poor man's face...
He got it wrong.
Which is how they explained a diffeent actor standing in for the guy with the bum leg for several weeks.
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Bev must have been promoted to Admiral to be in charge of Starfleet Medical.
She wasn't an Admiral any more when she returned to the Enterprise.
That's a more interesting story I think, than why she left.
They weren't fired so much as the budget for supplemental characters was absorbed by the CGI rendering budget.
Oh, I'm busting your balls, it's very unlikely that they would have... But that being said, "anyone" could have been Tuvixed, and then been got rid of. Maybe TPTB wern't going to extract these actors at this point, but if they had to get rid of someone, this ridiculous fake science could have been saved for that contingincy to explain where Kim had gone, or why he now looked like Jeri Ryan.
In Doctor Who, in the 1960s, one of the actors broke his leg. The story that month was set in "the land of fiction" where everything was super meta and they kept running afoul of story book characters... One of the main cast (the character) was (in story) shot by a musket, but instead of being dead with a hole in him, he'd been "magically" turned into a card board cutout but his face was just a blank smudge of nothing. 2 feet to the left of this cutoutstandup was a board that had an indentikit of face parts (photgraphs cut into strips) of more than just the charactrer who had been "shot". The Doctor (the hero of the show) realized that this was a game, and that his friend would be returned to him after he had reassemled the poor man's face...
He got it wrong.
Which is how they explained a diffeent actor standing in for the guy with the bum leg for several weeks.
...
Bev must have been promoted to Admiral to be in charge of Starfleet Medical.
She wasn't an Admiral any more when she returned to the Enterprise.
That's a more interesting story I think, than why she left.
They did the exact same thing in Enterprise's greatest episode Similitude, only they ended it in a way that didn't seem like they were making a morally egregious decision out of sentimentality.
@Melakon
If it were a military decision rather than a moral one, they should have said that. (Like they did in Similitude!)
Similitude is Tuvix, done right.
They should have asked Sim his thoughts on Cogenitors?
Um.
Wouldn't mimetic simbiots answer completely the Cogenitor problem?
8 days a sex slave is slightly more moral than 60 years.
Besides, she didn't need to kill herself.
Castration, hells even sterilization would have been enough.
But then whatever cogenitors add to sex, can probably be bottled as a lotion if you raise them by the thousand on batteryfarms?
Meanwhile, all this disregard for Sim when just two years later they're all apeshit with grief about Elizabeth their clone daughter who they never would have broken down for parts for anyone.
Um.
Wouldn't mimetic simbiots answer completely the Cogenitor problem?
8 days a sex slave is slightly more moral than 60 years.
Besides, she didn't need to kill herself.
Castration, hells even sterilization would have been enough.
But then whatever cogenitors add to sex, can probably be bottled as a lotion if you raise them by the thousand on batteryfarms?
Meanwhile, all this disregard for Sim when just two years later they're all apeshit with grief about Elizabeth their clone daughter who they never would have broken down for parts for anyone.
I wasn't really sad to see Kes go. She was nice and I did like her friendship with the Doctor. She was the first one to see him as more than just a hologram, after all. Though I felt she didn't bring anything to the show. Come to think of it, neither does Harry.
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