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You should see S1. It gives a lot of flashback info on Don, and makes him more sympathetic. Pete, tho, just comes across as a spoiled little creep. :D

So far this season, I'm not finding the stories all that interesting. Peggy seems to be stagnating as a character. Hopefully she's in for a big blow up or something.
 
I sympathize with Betty and her struggles with the kids, and with trying to be what Don wants. Does she know about his infidelities?

Yes she does. That's part of the reason she's so pissed off at him and why he attempted to be faithful--for a while. She found out that Don was calling her psychiatrist and that her doctor was discussing their sessions together. After she found out, she told the doctor that she wished her husband would be faithful to her, so Don now knows. Presumably there's been much fighting in the 2 year interim. Don, however, gets extremely jealous if he even thinks Betty's flirting with anyone else. Roger invited himself to dinner one night at their home. Betty ate only salad because she only had 2 steaks in the freezer. She laughed at Rogers' WWII stories all night, and then Roger made a crude pass at her when Don was in the garage. Don got very angry at Betty, saying she was egging Roger on. He got up in her face, and she asked if he was going to "bounce her off the walls." A few days later he came home to her fixing pot roast for him and he said, "you do know it's just me, right?" :rolleyes: Later on, when Don got a huge bonus check, he wanted to use it to take his mistress, Midge, to Paris. He wanted to run off to California on the spur of the moment (after finding out what happened to Adam) with his other mistress, Rachel. He was going to leave Betty high and dry with the kids and send child support, but Rachel got a clue and thought, "what kind of a man does that?" and she told him to get out. Don was always picking at Betty, saying she was like living with a child. Don is a ticking time bomb.

I'm haven't really warmed up to Peggy yet (is that her name? The one who had the baby). Did she give her baby up for adoption or is her sister raising it?

Her sister's raising it, but they've implied that it's not what Peggy wanted. Obviously Peggy can't raise it herself as an unwed mother in 1962 with the sexual revolution still a half decade away, but they've implied that Peggy didn't ask her sister to raise it either. The doctor called psych right before Peggy went into labor because Peggy was in complete denial about being pregnant. She didn't know. That's what Anita's reply of "The state of New York didn't think so....the doctors didn't think so" when Peggy said she could make her own decisions was all about. Apparently Peggy was involuntarily committed for a little while, and her sister and mother stepped in and took the baby to raise. She's completely disengaged from the child. Anita's on the cross about it, and it's not something Peggy wanted to happen. She'd have given it up if the state didn't step in. She wouldn't even look at it in the hospital. The audience didn't even realize Peggy was pregnant until the last. It was very clever how it was hidden.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Temis about Don being more sympathetic. I don't find him sympathetic at all, background or no background. The bit with Adam destroyed any sympathy I had for Don.
 
It sounds like I'm definitely going to have to see season one! Thanks for the background, Temis and Dorian. It sounds like I'm really going to have to see it before making any decisions about how I feel about Don.

Interesting that Peggy was able to get a staff position at the ad agency after being committed to a psychiatric hospital. Or did she already have the position in season one? I would think that would have been used against her.

So the older child is Peggy's and the younger one is Anita's? And Pete has no idea Peggy had a baby?
 
Pete has no idea. Peggy had no idea. She was in complete denial; she looked pissed off at the doctor when he told her that she was in labor. Don promoted her to junior copywriter right before she went into labor, then followed her "two month absence." This show doesn't explain everything; it leaves the audience to find out later, but perhaps Peggy told Don the truth, or her mother told Don, or Peggy could have lied and said she'd been in a car accident or something similar. That's why there was speculation and gossip about Peggy at Sterling Cooper at the beginning of this season. Just where did she go for two months and all?

The youngest child is Peggy's.
 
Season 2 is off to a slow start. Almost a little too slow for me. Season 1 started off pretty slow, too, but I was expecting a little more after the season finale last year. And I'm not seeing as many winks to the audience that this is the 60's like pregnant Francine smoking or the kids playing with plastic bags over their heads.

Still, I am really enjoying the season so far. Mad Men is so much about mood, atmosphere, and subtlety that it can get away with slow plot development. For some reason, I just don't care that not much is happening. It's kind of like being in a classy bar with a cigarette in one hand and a scotch in another. You don't much else besides the atmosphere.
 
I suspect things will heat up. Pete's got to find out at some point, and Don really is a ticking time bomb. I'm just waiting for Betty to finally have an affair and for Don to be a completely jealous dick about it.
 
I'm just waiting for Betty to finally have an affair and for Don to be a completely jealous dick about it.

I think that would be too expected for this show. More likely, it will be 1967 by then and Don will run off to San Francisco to become a hippie.

I can't wait for the hippie/LSD madness to break out. This show is a bit too sloooow at this point...
 
I want to see Roger and his big ego go stark raving bat shit mad when all the young girls start going crazy over those long haired hippies from Liverpool in about two years time. :evil:
 
Pete has no idea. Peggy had no idea. She was in complete denial; she looked pissed off at the doctor when he told her that she was in labor. Don promoted her to junior copywriter right before she went into labor, then followed her "two month absence." This show doesn't explain everything; it leaves the audience to find out later, but perhaps Peggy told Don the truth, or her mother told Don, or Peggy could have lied and said she'd been in a car accident or something similar. That's why there was speculation and gossip about Peggy at Sterling Cooper at the beginning of this season. Just where did she go for two months and all?

The youngest child is Peggy's.

Thanks for the clarification. I kind of assumed her sister was raising the kid when Peggy's mom said something to Peggy like, "Don't you want to say good night?"

Still...how can you be in denial about being pregnant up until the point of labor? I know it happens, but wow.

Season 2 is off to a slow start. Almost a little too slow for me. Season 1 started off pretty slow, too, but I was expecting a little more after the season finale last year. And I'm not seeing as many winks to the audience that this is the 60's like pregnant Francine smoking or the kids playing with plastic bags over their heads.

I found the first episode of season two a little slow, but after that I was pretty drawn in and really enjoyed the episodes.

Still, I am really enjoying the season so far. Mad Men is so much about mood, atmosphere, and subtlety that it can get away with slow plot development. For some reason, I just don't care that not much is happening. It's kind of like being in a classy bar with a cigarette in one hand and a scotch in another. You don't much else besides the atmosphere.

That's kind of how I feel. I'm so impressed by the details and the setting that I just get drawn into that. It's a very quiet show in a lot of ways; I like that because it's different from most else on television.

I suspect things will heat up. Pete's got to find out at some point, and Don really is a ticking time bomb. I'm just waiting for Betty to finally have an affair and for Don to be a completely jealous dick about it.

Yeah, I'm kind of waiting for that to happen, too. I think she's inching towards it really, really slowly--she did leave her kids at home when she found out she was going to be riding with that young guy on her own at the stables.
 
Mad Men is probably my favourite TV show right now. I find it just amazing. It's the time period and the characters. It's all so fascinating.

And yeah, I know that Don is a douchebag. But my jaw dropped when he did the Kodak Carousel pitch.
 
Anyone see last night's episode? I think the missing element that I've been wanting this season is the interaction between Don and Peggy - they're presumably the two lead characters but their stories have been parallel so far. They need to intersect more because I think that's the core of this show.

After the hospital scene, it's clear to me what Don's problem is. He has the soul of a chipmunk who lives in a snake pit. :rommie: His whole life is driven by fear and the need to lie and evade in order to cope with reality, which to him will always be threatening and ultimately incomprehensible.

(Not being able to quickly answer the question "What do you like?" was also a big clue about him. He's so focused on survival that he doesn't really take his existence far enough to start making pro-active decisions such as pursuing what he likes or even deciding what he likes.)

Peggy is still a blank slate. So the interest in the plotline for me will be seeing if she follows Don's dead-end path or forges one of her own, because she sure doesn't have many good role models to call upon. The advice she got from Bobbie is certainly a start.
 
Anyone see last night's episode? I think the missing element that I've been wanting this season is the interaction between Don and Peggy - they're presumably the two lead characters but their stories have been parallel so far. They need to intersect more because I think that's the core of this show.

Yeah, I really liked their interactions. There was something about the dynamic between the two characters--not romantic at all, which I liked--that suggested in a way they're alike. I thought when Don was giving Peggy advice, he saw himself in her a bit? Definitely liked that.

After the hospital scene, it's clear to me what Don's problem is. He has the soul of a chipmunk who lives in a snake pit. :rommie: His whole life is driven by fear and the need to lie and evade in order to cope with reality, which to him will always be threatening and ultimately incomprehensible.

I really need to see season one--I loved the hospital scene, but I think with more backstory it would have had an even greater impact.

Peggy is still a blank slate. So the interest in the plotline for me will be seeing if she follows Don's dead-end path or forges one of her own, because she sure doesn't have many good role models to call upon. The advice she got from Bobbie is certainly a start.

Her responses to Bobbie were really interesting, and I did like Bobbie's advice to her. But, ugh, Bobbie annoys the heck out of me as a character--am I the only one?
 
I really need to see season one--I loved the hospital scene, but I think with more backstory it would have had an even greater impact.
Don's advice echoes the way he's coped with bad situations in his own life - he seems to assume that authority figures are too intimidating to ever directly confront and lacks a sense of self that would allow him to confront them. Instead, he tells Peggy to tell whatever lie she needs to, in order to placate the powerful and wriggle out of their control.

Don seems so overtly powerful that it was a real surprise to hear him talk like that, but not really. In fact, it's perfectly in character for him. His powerful aura is all a facade. It's really unusual for any show to have such a powerless and cowardly lead character - very original. :D

I loved the way the legal limit for drunk driving was .15% - almost double what it is today. I guess it was harder for people to get drunk back then. :lol:

But, ugh, Bobbie annoys the heck out of me as a character--am I the only one?
I think she's a "type" who is very authentic to the time. Same as Pete.

On another topic, I recently saw How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying from the mid-60s because I'd heard that Mad Men draws some inspiration from it - mainly the sexist attitudes and the set design as far as I could see. Also the guy who plays the big boss with the Japanese office starred in it. Anyone ever seen it?
 
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Am I just imagining that or is Don painted a lot more sympathetically in the second season so far than in the first one? Ok, he's still a cheating drunkard, but he's shown as honestly loving his kids and his wife (a vibe I didn't get in the beginning of the show), caring about Peggy, and he might just be the most openminded and progressive male character in the whole show.
 
Her responses to Bobbie were really interesting, and I did like Bobbie's advice to her. But, ugh, Bobbie annoys the heck out of me as a character--am I the only one?

That actress sort of specializes in obnoxious, she was Sculley's sister on XFILES.

I think she is supposed to represent a different 'type' than, say, Don's Jewish GF from season 1 or the bohemian, something a little more, dare I say orthodox/pragmatic and Eisenhower-era.

Not sure what her ongoing appeal is for Don, I thought she'd've been gone from the show before last week, but now have to think there might be an arc for her (unless Don reunites with the Jewish heiress, who has some interesting chemistry with him.)

My wife and I wonder if MM's final season might be like CHINA BEACH, where you jump ahead and show the characters decades down the line.

We've also wondered if Don and Peggy wind up as a non-item but together as they drop out of society later in the 60s.There are so many ways for the show to go, and it is more a matter of execution than direction that determines whether it might jump the shark or just continue to enchant.
 
Bobbi's appeal is that she's the female version of Don. She's completely reinvented herself into this powerbroker wife of Jimmy's when she was a little floozy dancer for want of a better word. She's adventurous, a philanderer, likes to take chances. Don can't control her; that's her appeal to him. She's a wildcard. Don's unhappy on the inside, so he's pushing the limits because he doesn't know what he wants. It's as if he wants to get caught--so something will happen to shake up his world.

Peggy's not going to drop out of society. Peggy's time is coming. She's going to get that corner office. Peggy's based on Helen Gurley Brown, who started as a secretary and then someone gave her a chance to write copy when none of the other women around her were doing it. It's Don who's going to become extinct.
 
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