I think Troi did that anyway, on the sly.And instead of a counselor, they should have a Ship's Love Instructor.
It's what Gene intended!
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That's just according to you. and, you're wrong. There is ONE person:Me! You may not like the idea, but tough. There used to be a lot more of them a few years ago, I've met and talked to them at conventions. There aren't as many now, and few on these boards who'd admit to it, but that's mainly because of the nature of out times and a few know-alls who try to bully them and make them feel small. People have done theses on this subject. Nearly all SF has some element of discussing what humans will evolve into, dystopian or utopian. I would hate to think that anyone could be juvenile enough to watch it just for the superior weaponry and fights and explosions.
They're not perfect. Perhaps that should have been explored. They're just less aggressive and more evolved.
I don't think it's either/or.
No, it's not. There are all kinds and levels of entertainment and intellectual stimulation to be found in fiction other than the simpleminded didacticism that's come to be referred to variously as "Gene's vision" or "the Roddenberry philosophy." Star Trek can always do better with a great deal less of that nonsense, as the current film is demonstrating.
john titor
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You are 100% correct.
So you're saying that I overestimated - that instead of somewhat less than "one person in ten million" there is exactly one person in 6.7 billion?
No wonder no one would consider programming for that audience.
john titor
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Count me in too. Robert Zemeckis said that if one person says something about a film, good or bad, its an opinion. If two say the same thing then there's millions out there with the same viewpoint.
Okay, so we have two people, representing .000000067 percent of the U.S. population (never mind the world).
In any event, most creative people and certainly studios understand that there's no virtue in trying to instruct the audience - especially with pop culture stuff like Star Trek, which is why it's always been most successful and popular when the folks in charge eschewed doing any more of that than they could help.
In any event, most creative people and certainly studios understand that there's no virtue in trying to instruct the audience - especially with pop culture stuff like Star Trek, which is why it's always been most successful and popular when the folks in charge eschewed doing any more of that than they could help.
I'm interested in this, sure. Just as long as humans haven't evolved into indistinct dull vanilla blobs of the TNG variety. Give them real personalities a la TOS (and DS9 tho the aliens always got the best material on DS9) and depict their society, not human nature, as the thing that has changed.
Regardless of whether we think human nature can change, to actually show it having changed, especially in a way that makes characters less interesting, is not a good strategy for any story except maybe in literature when you can get by while alienating a large proportion of the audience.
I'm particularly interested in Earth being athiestic, while everyone else seems to be religious - even the Vulcans have a spiritualistic philosophy. And what happened between the 23rd and 24th C to cause the apparent downfall of capitalism? Was it really the invention of the replicator as fanon would have us believe?
I would suspect a Secular Fundamentalist (faction garnered the upper hand in the Terran Government and it is taught in a socially acceptable manner that Secular Fundamentalism is superior to other modes of thought and verbal derision of said ways of thinking is also socially acceptable.
No, I'm not starting a poltical argument, but noteing the behavior of some Starfleet Officers from any of the shows (Jadzia Dax & Jean Luc Picard are some of the more odious examples of the 24th century Sec Fund mode of thought). This was turned on it's ear with Benjamin Sisko's discovery of the Prophets (or they discovered him, depending on your POV). And note Starfleet's dancing around the issue by calling them "Wormhole Aliens".
This was most likely simple pragmatism of not wanting to promote one religon over the other (sane policy), but really some of the SF offiers were staggeringly tactless by calling the Prophet's "Wormhole Aliens" in earshot of some Bajora. Gee, dreck all over someones beliefs because it doesn't fit into your world view. Smart people that. Is it any wonder The Bajora weren't too keen on joining the Federation for a while? Other factors like general distrust of Xenos factor in, but still?
With the Dominion War at it's end and Carnage unprecidented in the Alpha quadrants history, I expect a surge of various forms of Faith across the Quadrant, to bring succor to those in pain in a hostile universe.
Oh well, that's probably going to start somthing *gets on the fire retardant suit*
No, I'm not starting a poltical argument, but noteing the behavior of some Starfleet Officers from any of the shows (Jadzia Dax & Jean Luc Picard are some of the more odious examples of the 24th century Sec Fund mode of thought). This was turned on it's ear with Benjamin Sisko's discovery of the Prophets (or they discovered him, depending on your POV). And note Starfleet's dancing around the issue by calling them "Wormhole Aliens".
This was most likely simple pragmatism of not wanting to promote one religon over the other (sane policy), but really some of the SF offiers were staggeringly tactless by calling the Prophet's "Wormhole Aliens" in earshot of some Bajora. Gee, dreck all over someones beliefs because it doesn't fit into your world view. Smart people that. Is it any wonder The Bajora weren't too keen on joining the Federation for a while? Other factors like general distrust of Xenos factor in, but still?
With the Dominion War at it's end and Carnage unprecidented in the Alpha quadrants history, I expect a surge of various forms of Faith across the Quadrant, to bring succor to those in pain in a hostile universe.
Oh well, that's probably going to start somthing *gets on the fire retardant suit*
john titor
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Picard was not a fed fundie. He followed his own personal beliefs on many occasions going up against admirals etc. It just so happened that those beliefs cohered with the ones which underlie the fed.
Screw that bullshit about "humanity has evolved... blah blah" stuff that Picard was always going on about. Everyone knows that the reason Star Trek had broad appeal was because of the girls in their short skirts, revealing customs, and "available sexuality."
Now that's Roddenberry's true vision -- a future of sexually available women able to please a starship captain at a moment's notice.
And instead of a counselor, they should have a Ship's Love Instructor.
It's what Gene intended!
"Okay, Wesley. Now insert and turn."
Too much?
That's just plain wrong. Now I have to get rid of this mental image. Great.
And instead of a counselor, they should have a Ship's Love Instructor.
It's what Gene intended!
"Okay, Wesley. Now insert and turn."
Too much?
Just one man's opinion here, but I kinda thought Jean Reno could make a good Picard. Granted, he's currently about 10 years older than Patrick Stewart when he started on TNG, but he's got the war-weary vet look, has a commanding screen presence (the Pink Panther movies notwithstanding), and being a French national certainly doesn't hurt.
Star Trek needs big thought concepts to sustain it. Concepts float the boat. Braga at least tried with the TCW but didn't have time to develop a concept within a concept story idea. Why can't they just overwrite TNG since it's so acceptable to do so and everything about it. Just create another Space Opera and slap the name Star Trek on it.
Concept: The Great Unknown.
The Enterprise-D is tasked with going into the Deep Uncharted Territories towards the Galactic Core as one of the first high warp capable Explorers for Territorial expansion of the Federation for it's burgoning population.
Themes: The Galaxy is and unknown quality and will require research as one goes on.
Never assume that everything you meet will be freindly.
Dangerous Xeno races are more common than one might think, and some you won't be able to simply negotiate with.
Aspire to be the best you can be, but remember in the end, Human Nature Never Changes.
Xeno's are as diverse as Humanity in beliefs, they are not a 'Planet of Hats'.
The Enterprise-D is tasked with going into the Deep Uncharted Territories towards the Galactic Core as one of the first high warp capable Explorers for Territorial expansion of the Federation for it's burgoning population.
Themes: The Galaxy is and unknown quality and will require research as one goes on.
Never assume that everything you meet will be freindly.
Dangerous Xeno races are more common than one might think, and some you won't be able to simply negotiate with.
Aspire to be the best you can be, but remember in the end, Human Nature Never Changes.
Xeno's are as diverse as Humanity in beliefs, they are not a 'Planet of Hats'.
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