I can understand him. On the Trekbbs there isn't a sub-forum specifically dedicated to medical issues so he don't know where exactly he has to post his concerns. And your avatar is a doctor, so...
New Talosians?
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Too bad for you that you don't get to tell others here what they can and can't post. Only the moderators have that power.
Film at it's purest is all about images, and, per Eisenstein, the juxtaposition of same. Some amazing films tell their story through what you call "window dressing". A silent film is merely a musical score to a blind person. They are not reacting to the film, they are reacting to the soundtrack. That might be a very powerful experience, but it's not remotely the same.
Yeah, but his medical history is a little bit off topicToo bad for you that you don't get to tell others here what they can and can't post. Only the moderators have that power.
"Skiffy" means "sci-fi" (i.e. science fiction), pronounced in an alternative manner usually to indicate that the subject is unrealistic, fantastic, childish, or at least less serious science fiction.
Whilst this is indeed is a super minor thing, I have to agree with the others that the change to the Talosians was no an improvement. I think the original decision to have smallish ladies to play them was a clever one. The big heads on small frail looking bodies communicated a theme. The nose ridge wasn't a good addition either, it too distracted from their frail grey look.
I just wish they'd been more inventive than another head ridge.
Yep. The bodies (and the species) were withering away due to their telepathic abilities. Communicated the idea stated in "The Cage" that they had lost all interest in things outside of their mental capacities.
I believe the Talosians project now they want you to see them. Vina may just have wanted a new appearance since The Cage.
And that's a great example of "fanon" or "head canon" making sense of an perceived inconsistency of continuity that is never explained on-screen and in-universe.
It seems fans in general have no problem with the ridged-brow Romulans suddenly appearing in TNG without explanation. They just make up their own explanation that could plausibly fit the universe and with continuity. I think the same could be done with the perceived inconsistencies of DIS.
Sure -- but that doesn't explain why Pike, Spock, and Number One look different.
Honestly though, I'm fine with Vina, Pike, etc. looking different. I'm not looking for an in-universe explanation for it. I simply chalk up the difference in Pike, Spock, and Number one we see in the "previously on" clip (and in The Cage/Menagerie) as simply being different actors playing the roles.
If I can do that, then I can also chalk up the difference in Vina as simply being due to a different actor playing the role.
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The voices are not high-pitched in The Cage, though.
As someone who dabbles in Make-up, I have the greatest respect for the work being done from a technical standpoint, this idea that because someone likes the original design more, does not mean that they want it to literally look like the 60's Makeup, it's the design that those people wanted to see used, but of course by modern standards, Silicone rather than Latex, better paints, adhesives, the original design could have still been used without having the now cheesy look of the materials used at the time.
I accept the new design, personally I would have left the ridge off, and I definitely would have tried to cast people who were physically more frail looking, but whats done is done, I won't dwell on it, I don't think the new design is bad,(but good lord, Chewbaca is still the same design after 40 years) They definitely look more Alien, which is of course what their trying to do, just as they were trying to make the Klingon's more Alien, but the went to far to the point of them all being Bald, all having vampire-type eyes, werewolf type claws, greenish, grayish skin, a lot of them borderline on Reptilian looking, it's just too much, the ridges and the Teeth(exaggerated) were really the only visual elements retained, I was all for an update, in the mid 90's I looked at the contemporary Klingon's of the time and could tell it was just greasepaint and foam latex, so I definitely wanted updated materials, more realistic textures, I wanted to see a bit more structure brought into the face so that it didn't look like only a forehead with a nose ridge, I would have gone with something like this
The Disfigured Vina Makeup left something to be desired, it looks rather toned down, yes the materials were better, but the design it'self isn't has stomach churning as the original, it's no where near as pitifully unattractive. but in the end it still is fairly faithful and gets the job done.
I accept the new design, personally I would have left the ridge off, and I definitely would have tried to cast people who were physically more frail looking, but whats done is done, I won't dwell on it, I don't think the new design is bad,(but good lord, Chewbaca is still the same design after 40 years) They definitely look more Alien, which is of course what their trying to do, just as they were trying to make the Klingon's more Alien, but the went to far to the point of them all being Bald, all having vampire-type eyes, werewolf type claws, greenish, grayish skin, a lot of them borderline on Reptilian looking, it's just too much, the ridges and the Teeth(exaggerated) were really the only visual elements retained, I was all for an update, in the mid 90's I looked at the contemporary Klingon's of the time and could tell it was just greasepaint and foam latex, so I definitely wanted updated materials, more realistic textures, I wanted to see a bit more structure brought into the face so that it didn't look like only a forehead with a nose ridge, I would have gone with something like this
The Disfigured Vina Makeup left something to be desired, it looks rather toned down, yes the materials were better, but the design it'self isn't has stomach churning as the original, it's no where near as pitifully unattractive. but in the end it still is fairly faithful and gets the job done.
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Vina is very toned down. And doesn't appear to have the physical deformities the Cage Vina had. I liked the episode a lot, but it really doesn't make sense to me that in 2257 Federation science can't do anything about Vina's scarring (since it clearly is massively important to her to be attractive). The Discovery has an augmented human and a Klingon whose appearance was transformed into human through surgery. But nothing can be done for Vina? Hard to buy, for me, anyway.
Yes, some changes do not require an in-depth explanation. Otherwise, I demand an explanation for Saavik!
Maybe, by this point, after all these years, it's more of a psychological thing with her.
You know STD means Star Trek Discovery. Lame humor is lame.
Actually, using a silly acronym to make fun (in a very juvenile way) of a show one does not like is worse, but YMMV.
Really? How many Star Trek shows do you now that use ST in their acronyms?
No, I'm pretty sure he talks about his disease
