New stardates

[Dar70]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

Really? You care about the stardates?

There are so many things that one could legitimately complain about with this film and you're pissed about stardates?

I loved the fucking thing although it's not perfect. What issues it does have are nothing to do with canon.

I have many complaints about the movie. The stardate canon violation is one of them.

All of my complaints could have been addressed by doing a complete reboot.

A complete reboot could have been good too, but if you're open to that level of revisionism I don't understand why you had problems with this.

Probably because it wasnt a clean slate. They involved a character from the TOS timeline.

 

[Brent]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

They could've used timestamps on the screen to tell us the year we were in.

That makes far too much sense for them to have considered it.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Exactly.

(Not that understanding Earth numbers, or just plain speaking English makes any more sense. )

 

[DeafPoet]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

I have many complaints about the movie. The stardate canon violation is one of them.

All of my complaints could have been addressed by doing a complete reboot.

A complete reboot could have been good too, but if you're open to that level of revisionism I don't understand why you had problems with this.

Probably because it wasnt a clean slate. They involved a character from the TOS timeline.

It's clean enough.

The plot had a few problems and it was a little too "actioney" at times but I don't see how you can bitch about the changes they've made unless you've decided to be completely inflexible.

 

[Zeppster]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

Stardates were originally made to confuse what century Trek was taking place. To put it easily even Gene didn't know when Star Trek was talking place. Just look at some of the episodes it's 150 years, 200, 300, even up to something like 900 years into the future depending of the episode. Gene finally decided on the 23rd century after the show was canceled and it wasn't shown on screen till the start of the TWOK.

 

[Brent]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Exactly.

(Not that understanding Earth numbers, or just plain speaking English makes any more sense. )

I guess cause, its just a movie

 

[Kelso]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

2233.04 for the year 2233, and perhaps 04 for April, or who knows?)

Assuming that a year is still 365 days, stardate 2233.04 should be May 26, 2233.

Unless I screwed that up.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

Stardates were originally made to confuse what century Trek was taking place. To put it easily even Gene didn't know when Star Trek was talking place. Just look at some of the episodes it's 150 years, 200, 300, even up to something like 900 years into the future depending of the episode. Gene finally decided on the 23rd century after the show was canceled and it wasn't shown on screen till the start of the TWOK.

Based on the hairstyles and displays I would have guessed it was set in the 1960s.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

2233.04 for the year 2233, and perhaps 04 for April, or who knows?)

Assuming that a year is still 365 days, stardate 2233.04 should be May 26, 2233.

Unless I screwed that up.

The ".xx" could be in hundredths of the year (though several days would likely share one number) Or the first number after the point could represent a "tenth" of the year (each tenth equaling five weeks) and the second number representing a tenth of that five weeks, but even THEN you're only going to narrow it down to a time-frame of about 3 or 4 days.) So we could then FURTHER go that the number after the decimal simply represents the day of the year (Julian date) and it simply is a number with no fewer than two decimal places (expanding to three when we get to that point.)

 

[NCC74894A]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Remember though, that Nero came from an era with five-digit stardates. He didn't have to understand the exact date he was in to understand that he had traveled back through time; just hearing Robau quote a four-digit stardate, as opposed to a five-digit one, would more than suffice.

 

[Brent]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Remember though, that Nero came from an era with five-digit stardates. He didn't have to understand the exact date he was in to understand that he had traveled back through time; just hearing Robau quote a four-digit stardate, as opposed to a five-digit one, would more than suffice.

Why would a Romulan miner from Romulus know about current or past Federation stardate systems?

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Remember though, that Nero came from an era with five-digit stardates. He didn't have to understand the exact date he was in to understand that he had traveled back through time; just hearing Robau quote a four-digit stardate, as opposed to a five-digit one, would more than suffice.

Why would a Romulan miner from Romulus know about current or past Federation stardate systems?

Because a scriptwriter wrote it into his character?

 

[Kelso]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

So we could then FURTHER go that the number after the decimal simply represents the day of the year (Julian date) and it simply is a number with no fewer than two decimal places (expanding to three when we get to that point.)

That way probably makes the most sense... or, at least, more sense than the way I was trying to do it.

In that case, stardate 2233.04 would be the 40th day of the year- Feb. 9, 2233.

Right? Right???

Can anyone come up with a way for .04 to mean March 22nd (Kirk's noncanonical Bday)?

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

So we could then FURTHER go that the number after the decimal simply represents the day of the year (Julian date) and it simply is a number with no fewer than two decimal places (expanding to three when we get to that point.)

That way probably makes the most sense... or, at least, more sense than the way I was trying to do it.

In that case, stardate 2233.04 would be the 40th day of the year- Feb. 9, 2233.

Right? Right???

Can anyone come up with a way for .04 to mean March 22nd (Kirk's noncanonical Bday)?

Yeah, he has a different birthday in this timeline.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

So we could then FURTHER go that the number after the decimal simply represents the day of the year (Julian date) and it simply is a number with no fewer than two decimal places (expanding to three when we get to that point.)

That way probably makes the most sense... or, at least, more sense than the way I was trying to do it.

In that case, stardate 2233.04 would be the 40th day of the year- Feb. 9, 2233.

Right? Right???

Can anyone come up with a way for .04 to mean March 22nd (Kirk's noncanonical Bday)?

Yeah, he has a different birthday in this timeline.

He never had an "official" birthday.

(it may be the stress of the battle sent his mother into labor two months premature if we accept the decimal point as the "Julian Date" and the noncanon birthdate for Kirk.)

 

[Brent]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

maybe the first four digits aren't the year, ya know, just a thought, it wasn't stated that is the year

 

[chrinFinity]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

If Google Calendar can easily convert between alternate Calendar systems from different cultures (which it can), then certainly the Universal Translator could do the same. Furthermore, this is a silly argument.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

maybe the first four digits aren't the year, ya know, just a thought, it wasn't stated that is the year

Possibly, but it matches up that way.

Especaily since the Jellyfish ship said it was from "stardate" 238x.x. If it was really rom 238x the stardate would be 58xxx. ("TNG's" seventeenth or more season.)

 

[Broccoli]

Re: Did you like the new Stardate system?

One thing to note, Robau told Nero the stardate, and it seemed like he understood what it meant.

Remember though, that Nero came from an era with five-digit stardates. He didn't have to understand the exact date he was in to understand that he had traveled back through time; just hearing Robau quote a four-digit stardate, as opposed to a five-digit one, would more than suffice.

Why would a Romulan miner from Romulus know about current or past Federation stardate systems?

Who says he knows? He probably impaled Robau out of frustration from still not understanding the stardates and that they changed again!