New Redesigned Starship Enterprise Revealed ?
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Yeah, that's Gabe's Enterprise. You can see his TrekBBS WIP thread here, view a video here, and peek at other videos and stills here.
The original article at MovieTome has already been disavowed by its author. So move along, there's nothing new to see here.
The original article at MovieTome has already been disavowed by its author. So move along, there's nothing new to see here.
Gabe's Enterprise has been the "official" Enterprise redesign @ least 50x now. That has got to be a compliment to his work. I still think it's sad they crop and credit it as an exclusive. Give the guys work some respect.
I would be fine if the new Enterprise looked like his ship. I don't think it will since his design is all over the place.
Direct link to the large version of that shot from his site. It sure is nice @ hi-res.
http://www.gabekoerner.com/ent/ent_010507_01.jpg
The one and only. Gabe grew up and became a professional visual F/X artist, and (so far) has worked on two Trek-related projects: Trekkies 2 (the sequel to Trekkies) and the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise.
The ABOVE posted pic looks good, because it retains the clean contours of the Enterprise, but gives it a more detailed, 'realistic' look. However the linked pics in Trekweb forums look hideous!!! The bussard collectors have been turned into turbofan engines, the ridgelines around the hull make the ship look Cardassian, down to the 'enhanced' deflector dish which now looks like one of those Franklin Mint collectible versions.
OTOH the B+W pics linked on the Gabe Koerner website look ok, they have no turbofan bussard collectors. But I think the ridges are still overdone on the engineering section especially---perhaps uniformity of color could tone it down.
Ultimately I think there's an interesting contrast with the TMP 1701...which is the original updated version. I think that one did a much, much better job of updating the ship...not the overdone monstrosity that was linked here. If they can keep some of the simplicity of the TOS ship, and add 2001: A Space Odyssey style detailing and realism, I'd rather see that.
OTOH the B+W pics linked on the Gabe Koerner website look ok, they have no turbofan bussard collectors. But I think the ridges are still overdone on the engineering section especially---perhaps uniformity of color could tone it down.
Ultimately I think there's an interesting contrast with the TMP 1701...which is the original updated version. I think that one did a much, much better job of updating the ship...not the overdone monstrosity that was linked here. If they can keep some of the simplicity of the TOS ship, and add 2001: A Space Odyssey style detailing and realism, I'd rather see that.
The nacelles look beautiful, IMO. Aside from that, however, the struts and the back part of the neck look way too busy. Almost Romulan-looking. Granted, this is pretty close to what I'd like to see - a sleek looking update that would look good on a movie screen to today's audience - it just needs to be simplified a little.
trevanian
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That'd be a neat trick. Even though folks talk about the superdetailed aspect of 2001 ships, there is a lot there that is NOT greeblies. Look at the Discovery command module and you see pretty fine work that isn't visible once you get aways back from it. There is an incredibly fine band of detail, plus panel lines.
You pretty much NEED a very large miniature to achieve that look ... even in the 90s and more recently, you were seeing 20 foot models to sell massive scale, and when you'd intercut them with CG 'doubles' it was pretty obvious which was which.
It looks like a photoshopped mix of the ENT-D and the refitted ENT from TMP to me. Maybe it's just an unflattering angle, but I really hope that this is bogus.
One can build any level of fine detail into a CG model, scaled absolutely properly to the supposed "real" size of the object - there's no technical challenge, and it can be done far more effectively than on a physical model. It's entirely a question of how detailed one wants to go.
The ship looks reasonable but a possibly slightly fussy.
Thing is though it looks like they are trying to meld enterprise tech to tos tech which is probably no bad thing, you could argue that this is a prerefit to what we saw in the series?.
It looks a little vulcan in the design cues on the nacelle pylons, so thinking of it in terms of taking close to 60 or 70 years to put together a starship design that truly incorporates vulcan and human and andorian tech then this design is logical and reasonable.
lets not forget 40 odd years on our own space tech is still little more than a collection of insulated metal tubes stuck together, so i dont see why this design should be an issue?
the bigger issue should be the quality of the finished film! so lets all wait n see what they come up with
Thing is though it looks like they are trying to meld enterprise tech to tos tech which is probably no bad thing, you could argue that this is a prerefit to what we saw in the series?.
It looks a little vulcan in the design cues on the nacelle pylons, so thinking of it in terms of taking close to 60 or 70 years to put together a starship design that truly incorporates vulcan and human and andorian tech then this design is logical and reasonable.
lets not forget 40 odd years on our own space tech is still little more than a collection of insulated metal tubes stuck together, so i dont see why this design should be an issue?
the bigger issue should be the quality of the finished film! so lets all wait n see what they come up with
trevanian
Rear Admiral
You must know I've made a point of ignoring your posts when possible for several years, but come the hell on!
If there's no technical challenge, then why hasn't it happened?Why do I need to turn the brightness down to about 30 percent to watch the rift battle in NEMESIS w/o being distracted by the CG? With all the resources available, why haven't they gone that detailed in a successful way. Except for the brief ship stuff in SOLARIS, there's no cg spaceship object remotely approaching the credibility and detail of the miniature EVENT HORIZON.
And it certainly isn't just a matter of detail either. You can model every nook and cranny in the fashion of the WING COMMANDER feature and it still might not look any better than stuff that is well texture-mapped, like a lot of Trek stuff. You need to operate at a level of resolution that is much higher, and almost nobody is rendering their stuff at 4K to 8k. And until they do, and do it with skill and artistry, this stuff is still not going to remotely resemble the kind of huge vessel feel you can get with a WELL-PHOTOGRAPHED miniature.
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