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NEW ONGOING TREK CROSSOVER SERIES BEGINS OCTOBER 2022

I enjoyed Star Trek #10. Feels like the series is hitting a groove particularly when it comes to Sisko. I still don't care exactly for the setup, but I am glad we are getting more of Sisko
and I really liked how the book ended when he reconnected with his family
. Shaxs is a fun addition to the cast. I also liked Garak, the new Damar, and even the Dominion guys who I was skeptical about.
I think they are dragging out who T'Lir really is though. I was hoping they would delve into that this issue, but I guess they will for Day of Blood or after.
 
Can’t say I’m crazy about not only our heroes being saved by
a war crime
but being
completely okay with that
— though I suppose that fits the sometimes harsh realpolitick of Deep Space Nine, and this is a Sisko story.
 
Day of Blood #1 came out yesterday. I got the Shaxs cover. :)

There's a major element to this that I don't like -- and don't buy -- any more than I bought it thirty years ago when Mike Friedman and Mike W. Barr used it in the DC/Malibu TNG/DS9 crossover -- the two crews have an "anything you can do, I can do better" assholery going on. Sisko and Worf are assholes to each other. Ro and Shaxs are assholes to each other. Tom and B'Elanna are assholes to each other to the point where I suspect they have deep, possibly irreconcilable, differences in their marriage. Crusher and Sela are assholes to each other. I just don't buy that Worf and Sisko are that mad at each other and would be total jerkfaces to the other in this situation. Yeah, Worf's working with some shady, damaged people with uncertain motives, but they're also professionals who understand the stakes. I expect more emotional maturity from several of the major characters here.

That said, at least in the case of Worf and Ro, I can see how where they are here will lead to where they will be twenty-five years hence in Picard.

Maybe when all this is done, we can get some boldly going and strange new worlds and new planets of the month and that sort of thing.
 
There's a major element to this that I don't like -- and don't buy -- any more than I bought it thirty years ago when Mike Friedman and Mike W. Barr used it in the DC/Malibu TNG/DS9 crossover -- the two crews have an "anything you can do, I can do better" assholery going on. Sisko and Worf are assholes to each other. Ro and Shaxs are assholes to each other. Tom and B'Elanna are assholes to each other to the point where I suspect they have deep, possibly irreconcilable, differences in their marriage. Crusher and Sela are assholes to each other. I just don't buy that Worf and Sisko are that mad at each other and would be total jerkfaces to the other in this situation. Yeah, Worf's working with some shady, damaged people with uncertain motives, but they're also professionals who understand the stakes. I expect more emotional maturity from several of the major characters here.

I applaud this. It seems to be a comic book thing I do have a gripe with - whenever you have a superhero/team joining forces they always seem to fight before realising they are on the same side and should work together!

"Batman vs Superman" No, they are both heroes, they need to work together!
 
I thought the first issue of Day of Blood wasn't bad.

I still don't care for how Worf is written, and I don't buy his beef with Sisko. I did like how they put some of the other characters together, especially Ro and Shaxs. It was neat seeing Paris and Torres reunite, as well as Data and Lore, and I liked the idea of Sela meeting Sisko. Makes me wonder how DS9 might have used her character. I liked seeing Scotty in command, and changing his uniform too.

I also still am not buying Alexander being part of Kahless's cult. Not sure how they are going to redeem his character, or even if they are going to try to. They haven't quite sold me on the Red Path being so dangerous just yet. I would've liked to have seen more scenes of them wreaking havoc across the quadrant.
 
Anyone who's a fan of the comics got the ship in STO?
I don't fly it but I'll order a model of it on GamePrint.
Still strange how it's the Discovery-class in Star Trek but Theseus-class in STO.

Edit: I've ordered a model of the Theseus. Now wait for production.
 
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Maybe when all this is done, we can get some boldly going and strange new worlds and new planets of the month and that sort of thing.

Honestly, I think it can be taken for granted that this series — and really, probably any Trek comics written this century not written by Ryan North or maybe John Byrne — is going to keep focusing on action plots and fighting bad guys and such.
 
Well, it seems Star Trek and Star Trek: Defiant do not get much traction on this board. If I am to be honest, I do not find that state overly disappointing because I strongly do not feel affinity for the sub-genre of this dual-series entirely. But, perhaps out of unhealthy criticism, I still feel compelled to note various points of interest to compare to First Splinter stories thus far. I may expand this list later on with general references to canon stories.

Now, this list is nowhere near complete, but my laptop demands to be updated, so I had best write something before I lose this Windows session. I am using spoiler coding because a number of points relate to the recently-concluded Star Trek: Picard series.
2022.10.27 - Star Trek #1
Benjamin Sisko returns from the Celestial Temple to Deep Space 9 in 2378, and his daughter is named Sarah. In DS9 - Unity, he arrived on Bajor in 2376, and his daughter is named Rebecca.

The U.S.S. Theseus was previously introduced in the same authors' Year Five #13 to #14. Its dossier uses the designation Discovery class, which was used by the games Star Trek: Legacy and Star Trek Online for different purposes, the latter in particular collaborating to introduce the 2022 IDW design as named the Theseus class in 2023.

Montgomery Scott is indicated to have been working on rebuilding the U.S.S. Theseus (because the authors insisted on a pointless homage to the Ship of Theseus thought experiment) since 2370. In the SCE series, Scott headed up the entire SCE for most of the 2370s.

Sisko served with Eshrine, one of the fathers of Lily Sato, aboard the U.S.S. Okinawa during the Tzenkethi War. In Typhon Pact - Rough Beasts of Empire, the Okinawa crew lineup was different. Implicitly, the Andorians in this continuity are not quad-sex for reproduction as in the First Splinter, but this is not clarified.

In 2378, Theseus finds a group of crystalline entities just as they fall to the yet-unrevealed godkiller. Sisko classifies the tragedy as genocide, and while the term does not require 100% saturation, the writing feels at odds with the rest of Kurtzman canon, wherein the U.S.S. Cerritos casually encounters several crystalline entities circa 2381 in LD 2.08 "I, Excretus". By contrast, Titan - Orion's Hounds has William Riker imply Starfleet to have no knowledge of crystalline entities in groups until 2380.

2022.11.30 - Star Trek #2
Kahless II is hostile to the Federation when Worf brings the Theseus crew in to see him. This is a vastly different depiction to the First Splinter, wherein Kahless is in very good association with the Enterprise-E crew in TNG - A Time for War, A Time for Peace and the Prey trilogy. Interestingly, despite many instances in the series of characters arbitrarily having special knowledge, the Memory Alpha diplomatic briefing in this issue indicates Starfleet at large does not know about the time crystals on Boreth as depicted in DIS 2.12 "Through the Valley of Shadows", instead merely attributing the rebirth of Kahless to advances in cloning technology.

The Memory Alpha diplomatic briefing names the Chancellor as Martok as the son of Urthog. This name for Martok's father was first given in DS9 - The Left Hand of Destiny.

Worf gets himself reinstated to Starfleet because he misses Starfleet. As it happens, TNG - A Time for War, A Time for Peace depicted him undertaking a similar decision in 2379.

2023.01.04 - Star Trek #3
T'Lir's personnel file names their parents as Sovan and T'Lai of Da-leb Kinor (not sure if that is a typo of "Minor"). The city Da-leb comes from the 1998 Last Unicorn RPG module "The Way of Kolinahr: The Vulcans".

At age 18, T'lir received the Graf Award. This might be an homage to the joint novelist pen name L.A. Graf.

Jake mentions that his grandfather has passed. In the First Splinter, Joseph Sisko died in 2381, as mentioned in Typhon Pact - Rough Beasts of Empire.

2023.02.01 - Star Trek #4
An LCARS file on the T'Kon states that the location of their supernova-devastated homeworld is unknown. In the Vanguard novel series, this core system is known in the 2260s to the Federation as Eremar.

Thomas Paris refers to himself as the son of Julia Paris, the name of his mother first being given in VOY - Homecoming.

2023.03.15 - Star Trek #5
Kahless II posses the Bajoran Orb of Destruction, an orb name never used previously in other media, which have different lineups for the 10 or so orbs.

2023.03.15 - Defiant #1
Spock is using the planet Chaltok IV, mentioned in VOY - "Time and Again", as a meeting ground for the reunification movement. In the First Splinter, Spock was mostly based on Romulus until 2383.

In VOY - Homecoming et al., Starfleet had integrated the former Maquis into the relaunched Voyager. Here, B'Elanna is unhappy with Starfleet treating her and everyone as untrustworthy Maquis rubbish.

Tom asserts that B'Elanna is not like her mother, who apparently died in VOY 6.03 "Barge of the Dead". In VOY - Homecoming and The Farther Shore, Miral turned out to be alive on Boreth only to die immediately after being reunited.

In DS9 - Avatar et al., Ro Laren joined the Bajoran Militia after the Dominion War, and eventually rejoined Starfleet. Here, Ro is serving a life sentence from the Federation when Worf breaks her out to serve in his operation. In the concurrent PIC 3.05 "Impostors", Ro states that her prison sentence from the Federation was commuted in exchange for her expertise in dealing with militant groups. I guess the IDW depiction is supposed to lead into the Kurtzman canon depiction, though it stretches credulity that Worf spends over 20 years never informing Picard about meeting Ro again.

Worf and co. steal the newer U.S.S. Defiant from a drydock where it has been since the end of the war. A Starfleet communique notes that despite the resumption of the Treaty of Algeron, the Defiant has a cloaking device, though how is not explained given the previous ship was blown up. In the First Splinter, the Defiant never left service in defense of Deep Space 9, and was intentionally given a second cloaking device by the Romulans to replace the lost first one.

To my disgruntlement, this series follows every canon and non-canon series in recycling the registry NX-74205 for the newer Defiant even though the DS9 producers acknowledged this was a budget-saving footage limitation of the final TV episode.

2023.04.12 - Star Trek #6
The U.S.S. Theseus is equipped with a classified proto-warp propulsion system, evidently an earlier version of the one on the U.S.S. Protostar in Star Trek: Prodigy.

2023.04.12 - Defiant #2
It is explained that after being defeated and disassembled in TNG 7.01 "Descent, Part II", Lore's parts were sent to be studied by Section 31 at the Dead Moon 1 facility, from which Worf's crew reactivated and reassembled him. This more-or-less works with PIC 3.06 "The Bounty", wherein Section 31 had some jurisdiction over the salvaged first-generation Soong android parts.

2023.04.26 - Star Trek #7
This issue includes a transcribed special report on the 10 orbs in this continuity. They are Contemplation, Time, Prophecy & Change, Wisdom, two redacted entries, two unknown entries, Destruction, and of the Emissary.

Shaxs is the only Bajoran member of a Federation taskforce to recover Bajoran artifacts. His first lead is that the Cardassians still possess the remaining stolen orbs, but Cardassia Prime has been off-limits to outsiders for the three years since the Dominion War ended. In the First Splinter, the Federation was heavily involved in relief efforts on Cardassia Prime for many years following the war. Yevir Linjarin even traveled to Cardassia Prime in 2376 to recover four lost orbs.

A historical note from Memory Alpha says Benjamin Sisko narrowly beat Garth of Izar as the most decorated Starfleet officer in history. The note also refers to Garth as a Klingon War hero turned rogue despot; how that figure is qualified is unclear as Kurtzman-era canon implies not even the Battle of Donatu V in 2245 was considered a full-scale war. For its part, TOS - Garth of Izar indicated Garth's descent into madness to have transpired circa 2251.

2023.05.06 - Day of Blood Prelude - FCBD 2023 special
The U.S.S. Santa Cruz is a Shikahr-class vessel, a class introduced in Star Trek Online. Oddly, it has a name more apt for the contemporary California class.

2023.05.10 - Defiant #3
The newly-introduced Orion medic thinks of a story told by her grandmother about an Orion blood feud with a Gorn commander from a few centuries ago. This would fit with ENT 4.17 "Bound", wherein Harrad-Sar has a beverage brewed by Gorn, but how it fits with SNW's depiction of the Gorn is questionable.

2023.05.17 - Star Trek #8
Elim Garak is on Cardassia Prime, similarly to what the First Splinter also presumed prior to Garak's career as Cardassian Ambassador to the Federation.

First Speaker Barada Damar is the nephew of the late Legate Damar, who is not specified to be named Corat as in DS9 - A Stitch in Time, which implied the Dominion successfully got to any and all of Damar's relatives.

2023.05.31 - Star Trek #8.5 - 2023 annual
The holo-strike aboard the U.S.S. Theseus in 2378 is quite the different result of Photons Be Free compared to Oliver Baines's failed holo-revolution in VOY - The Further Shore.

2023.06.07 - Defiant #4
According to a text transcript, Admiral Edward Jellico debriefed B'Elanna Torres upon her return to Earth. In VOY - Homecoming, Jellico was not involved in the debrief of the Voyager crew.

B'Elanna Torres found out about Korath. According to VOY - Homecoming and DTI - Watching the Clock, the alternate Admiral Kathryn Janeway never got around to telling anyone about Korath.

Korath's private laboratory is located on Maranga IV, featured in TNG 7.21 "Firstborn". In DTI - Watching the Clock, he hails from the Cambra system, which was mentioned but not seen in "Firstborn".

The Chaffee is stationed aboard the newer U.S.S. Defiant, implicitly salvaged from its destroyed predecessor. In the First Splinter, the Chaffee was also salvaged for reuse aboard the new Defiant.

Sela's depiction in this continuity is obviously different from the First Splinter and Star Trek Online. Here, her failure in TNG - "Unification" got her reassigned to a backwater sector for the duration of the Dominion War. TNG - Triangle: Imzadi II and NF - Double or Nothing had her doing some important things during the Dominion cold war, and then escaping Federation custody off-screen to become important again by the time of TNG - Death in Winter.

2023.06.14 - Star Trek #9

2023.07.05 - Defiant #5


2023.07.12 - Star Trek #10
Yeor assassinates the purportedly last Founder left in the Alpha Quadrant. In the First Splinter and in Kurtzman canon, various Founders were doing various things on their own in the Alpha Quadrant after the war.

2023.07.19 - Day of Blood Part 1

2023.08.03 - Defiant #6 - Day of Blood Part 2

2023.08.24 - Star Trek #11 - Day of Blood Part 3

2023.09.06 - Defiant #7 - Day of Blood Part 4

2023.09.28 - Star Trek #12 - Day of Blood Part 5

2023.10.04 - Defiant #8

2023.10.25 - Star Trek #13

2023.11.08 - Defiant #9

2023.11.22 - Star Trek #14

2023.12.20 - Defiant #10

2023.12.20 - Star Trek #15

2024.01.17 - Star Trek #16

2024.01.24 - Defiant #10.5 - 2024 annual
The capital of Romulus is Dartha, a name first given in the TNG - Unification novelization. In Titan - Taking Wing, Tuvok learned Dartha had been renamed Ki Baratan some time prior to the Shinzon coup against Hiren in 2379.

Korath's chrono-deflector is already (somewhat) functional in 2378. In DTI - Watching the Clock, the chrono-deflector is only a loose idea in 2382.

Sela lands in the incident when prime Natasha Yar saved refugees from Carnelian mines, as mentioned in TNG 2.06 "Legacy". Here, Jean-Luc Picard commands the U.S.S. April. TNG - The Buried Age depicted a different version with Carnelian as the demonym for the multispecies Regnancy of the Carnelian Throne, and Picard was based on the U.S.S. Cybele.
 
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The Chaffee is stationed aboard the newer U.S.S. Defiant, implicitly salvaged from its destroyed predecessor. In the First Splinter, the Chaffee was also salvaged for reuse aboard the new Defiant.

I always assumed that was a replacement with the same name, like the Galileo on the Enterprise-A almost certainly wasn't the same one that had been on the prior Enterprise (though I suppose there's a better chance that it could be, if they were already stripping out parts from the ship before it was stolen, though they hadn't taken the torpedos off, yet), and it certainly wasn't the same one from TOS.
 
The Defiant is a small ship but had multiple shuttles and shuttle pods. Presumably, not all of them are aboard all the time. Perhaps the Chaffee sat on DS9 while the Defiant blew up.
 
Well, it seems Star Trek and Star Trek: Defiant do not get much traction on this board. If I am to be honest, I do not find that state overly disappointing because I strongly do not feel affinity for the sub-genre of this dual-series entirely.
I'm reading the series -- though I have a few issues of both series piled up that I haven't gotten to yet -- and "I strongly do not feel affinity" is, frankly, pretty close to my feeling. They are perfectly cromulent. I like the concepts more than the execution.
 
I'm reading the series -- though I have a few issues of both series piled up that I haven't gotten to yet -- and "I strongly do not feel affinity" is, frankly, pretty close to my feeling. They are perfectly cromulent. I like the concepts more than the execution.
The worst sin of the writing by far has to be Harry Kim bringing
the less-than-1-year-old Miral Paris with him to the hostile territory of Tzenketh instead of finding any babysitter on Earth, the capital of the Federation, where multiple of Miral's relatives live, where Harry Kim's own parents live, where several former Voyager crewmembers are based, and where they have childwatching social programs of some fashion.

What?!

What??!!

What???!!!

This is not how an ensign demonstrates the responsibility to be promoted in Starfleet!!!!!

No! No!! No!!!

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Well, not only did last month's annual issue give us the first visual look at the Carnelians, but this week's Defiant #11 gives us the possible first visual look at the Kreel. Naturally, no resemblance to words in novel text here.
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