I doubt that most of us are getting what we actually wished for. I know I'm not, but I'm more than willing to give the show a chance. Even if pieces of the saucer section are missing. LOL
News New EW Issue Details Bryan Fuller’s DISCOVERY Departure
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I doubt that most of us are getting what we actually wished for. I know I'm not, but I'm more than willing to give the show a chance. Even if pieces of the saucer section are missing. LOL
Absolutely. I get that and you're right, the characters are a big part of Trek.
But an anthology series would be something new and different while still being Trek and holding to its ethos. Let's face it, all the to update/"reboot" Trek in ENT and Kelvinverse boil down to superficial moments. Ultimately we still got the same stories, the same plots, the same cliches we have always had, but with shiny new ships and redesigned phasars/uniforms. Changing the format of the show, like they did with DS9 and season 4 of ENT, could very well have opened up new story telling possibilities, even if we do that get years to know the same crew. IMO, it'd be worth a try, especially with someone as capable as Fuller at the helm.
Completely agree. If I were to sit down and come up with my own Star Trek idea, it probably wouldn't be anything like DSC. But that doesn't mean it won't be an amazing show.
Fair point, definitely. I'm sure if I were cognizant of DS9 when it was in production and I'd heard it was set on a space station and not a starship, I may have had the same reaction. And I would've been dead wrong.
If anyone could pull off a great Trek anthology series, it's probably Fuller. All that said, I'd be more skeptical of the concept than I am of DSC. I'd have to be proven wrong. But in that case, I'd love to be wrong.
We've got novels for that, heh.
His departure smelled of back-room drama and I knew it would only be a matter of time before the details were revealed.
Few here wanted to accept the idea that Fuller's departure was anything other than amicable. Now we know the details of the creative tension hurting his morale and the delays he was (rightly or wrongly) blamed for.
The post upstream suggesting the uniforms are exactly what Fuller promised directly contradicts the article. The article says he wanted tri-color uniforms, not blue with metallic accents. Considering the uniforms are a key part of the controversy surrounding how canon-like the show is, I'd say Fuller wanted to make the right call there.
As to Anthology, remember the teaser talking about multiple crews??? People were already speculating about a season-by-season anthology. The hype wasn't just about bringing serial storytelling to Trek (which technically we already had in nascent form via DS9). It wasn't even about making a lower officer the lead. It was about the ever-shifting perspective of the season-by-season anthology and dropping into different parts of the timeline.
People here suggested that "couldn't be so" because it would be a budget-buster.
Now we know it was, at least at one point, going to happen, and they backed away from it in midstream.
I think when all is said and done we may still get this approach, but it would be more a matter of CBS retooling if Discovery is poorly received than any overarching plan to follow a single thematic thread through the timeline.
I, personally, really liked Fuller's original idea, even though I don't know what his thematic thread was going to be. From the perspective of trying to satisfy as many Trek fans as possible, an ever-shifting series that passes through the timeline would be bound to hit everyone's sweet spot eventually.
I think the problem with Discovery is there's still a mandate to try to please as many factions of fandom as possible which is why the show feels so much like a mashup of different time periods which leaves it feeling like it belongs nowhere in particular, hence reboot-like.
If they had followed Fuller's idea then they could have taken more risks. They could have had a single season of 1960s-eseque (or maybe Axanar-esque) production design knowing that if they alienated the crowd that felt the design was too outdated they'd win them back in a later season. But there's just no way to please everyone AND have it aesthetically fit into canon the same way Prime chose to do it.
Few here wanted to accept the idea that Fuller's departure was anything other than amicable. Now we know the details of the creative tension hurting his morale and the delays he was (rightly or wrongly) blamed for.
The post upstream suggesting the uniforms are exactly what Fuller promised directly contradicts the article. The article says he wanted tri-color uniforms, not blue with metallic accents. Considering the uniforms are a key part of the controversy surrounding how canon-like the show is, I'd say Fuller wanted to make the right call there.
As to Anthology, remember the teaser talking about multiple crews??? People were already speculating about a season-by-season anthology. The hype wasn't just about bringing serial storytelling to Trek (which technically we already had in nascent form via DS9). It wasn't even about making a lower officer the lead. It was about the ever-shifting perspective of the season-by-season anthology and dropping into different parts of the timeline.
People here suggested that "couldn't be so" because it would be a budget-buster.
Now we know it was, at least at one point, going to happen, and they backed away from it in midstream.
I think when all is said and done we may still get this approach, but it would be more a matter of CBS retooling if Discovery is poorly received than any overarching plan to follow a single thematic thread through the timeline.
I, personally, really liked Fuller's original idea, even though I don't know what his thematic thread was going to be. From the perspective of trying to satisfy as many Trek fans as possible, an ever-shifting series that passes through the timeline would be bound to hit everyone's sweet spot eventually.
I think the problem with Discovery is there's still a mandate to try to please as many factions of fandom as possible which is why the show feels so much like a mashup of different time periods which leaves it feeling like it belongs nowhere in particular, hence reboot-like.
If they had followed Fuller's idea then they could have taken more risks. They could have had a single season of 1960s-eseque (or maybe Axanar-esque) production design knowing that if they alienated the crowd that felt the design was too outdated they'd win them back in a later season. But there's just no way to please everyone AND have it aesthetically fit into canon the same way Prime chose to do it.
The multiple crews in the teaser was about the Shenzou and Discovery crews, because by that time Fuller had already agreed with CBS on one serial show and maybe later on some more shows.
Huh? You must've been reading a different forum or something. It was painfully clear to most of us that he was let go.
There was a vocal group that refused to think this was the case, because the press release said otherwise.
I assumed it was amicable (creative differences and his commitment to American Gods) because that's what was reported. I just prefer not to speculate because it's kinda pointless. Now that we know the problems ran a bit deeper, my understanding has changed.
Oh, absolutely - perhaps I should say instead that I think an anthology would be less likely to be good and entertaining, because of the issues I raised. Not impossible, I've thought before that the American Horror Show premises could be applied to science fiction, but I just think Trek's history of being slow getting going doesn't bode well for a successful anthology.
Yeah, that would worry me too. The main reason I didn't want a prequel, or especially an 'inbetweenquel' was exactly this - the temptation to do continuity porn. "We've not seen the era between TUC and TNG!" Well, OK, no we haven't. But that doesn't mean it would automatically make an interesting show. If there is a reason for the show (and I mean a narrative reason) to jump between time periods, great. But if it is just to give every Trek fan a season of what they particularly wanted, or a History Tour of Stuff Mentioned In Passing In TNG, that doesn't strike me as a strong basis for a show.
Really? I thought it was pretty commonly assumed he was booted. Maybe that was just my cynicism, but he went from being the most enthusiastic person ever to 'quitting' in about two months
The only disagreement I saw was whether that was a good thing or not.
I like the anthology-driven Fargo and [some of] the seasons of American Horror Story.
I think it might have been interesting to have an anthology series that concentrated on one ship, one crew, and one story arc for each season. That is to say, each season would have a different ship, crew, and story arc -- just like Fargo and AHS.
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Heck -- they could even do different time periods (again, similar to how each season of Fargo took place in a different time period).
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In other words, hindsight is 20/20.
Some people have a hard time understanding that creative collaboration usually involves some degree of conflict. Just watch The Beatles argue in the studio circa Let it Be. Sometimes that conflict helps the final product and sometimes it ruins it. But people should not assume that everything always flows smoothly in showbiz just because some diplomatic press-release says so.
No, painfully clear at the time. But, it does seem like some didn't realize it. Yep, there's always conflict when working in groups to some extent. Definitely in the creative process. Throw in the conflict within the creative decisions and plus with the business side of things, etc. The massive delay was a big hint too.
As one of those people who chose to take the information we were being given at face value, I'll just say I did so because I really don't see the value in speculating and making assumptions or connecting dots when I really don't have all the information. Hindsight really is 20/20. But as it's happening, I'd rather sit back and see how things unfold rather than go around in circles contriving explanations from limited information.
I assumed it was amicable (creative differences and his commitment to American Gods) because that's what was reported. I just prefer not to speculate because it's kinda pointless. Now that we know the problems ran a bit deeper, my understanding has changed.
I remember arguing with you in that thread, I think you're the only one who has voluntarily admitted they were wrong
I'm fine with being wrong.I remember arguing with you in that thread, I think you're the only one who has voluntarily admitted they were wrong
I remember arguing with you in that thread, I think you're the only one who has voluntarily admitted they were wrong
Remember how many people swore up and down we'd never even have another Trek TV series. LOL
People rarely ever admit being wrong on the internet. Those who do deserve high praise.
I didn't call anyone out for it though because who cares? I was answering another comment asking if there were really many people talking about it
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