Interesting. Thankyou.
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Interesting. Thankyou.
Incorrect. CBS footed the bill for the show's production, since it's their IP and it's their studio making it. Netflix only bought the distribution rights for territories outside the United States, which then helped the production ledgers to go into a profit. They had nothing to do with the production of the show.
A bit like some users on TrekBBS
A bit like some users on TrekBBS
And every other Trek forum on the internet.
I don't know where they got some of the "facts" that they stated in their video because I've never heard them before. And I keep pretty up to date on all discovery news. Are they supposed to have some type of insider informant that they got this info from? To me it just seemed like they were pandering to angry trek fans because of the information they listed all of it was negative and that cbs know it's gonna tank. One question I have is then why did they lengthen it to 15 episodes?
I could see Discovery wrapping up its story at the end of the 15 episodes and not continuing as an ongoing series.
Even shows where that was clearly the intention go on to second seasons (e.g. Stranger Things) and we know that Discovery's first is profitable already. A second is about as guaranteed as anything can be in the industry.
1) Discovery is only already profitable because Netflix (and to a much lesser extent, Bell) paid the equivalent to the first seasons production cost in exchange for distribution rights outside of the US and Canada
2) This was from before the show started encountering problems and was delayed until May. And then delayed again. And then delayed until the end of September. It seems logical that since Netflix (and Bell) purchased the rights based on a Jan delivery date there were financial repercussions for the late delivery.
3) This is before the reported cost overruns.
While season one of Discovery is probably still fine financially nobody can say for certain that the show is already profitable anymore.
Nor can anyone say the second season is a given because if Netflix is unhappy with anything about the first season (costs, quality, the delay, viewership numbers, they just don't like CBS, etc.), they may not want to pay for a second. Netflix announced last month that they are going to start cancelling original series' (which Discovery is marketed as outside of US/CAN) that are not performing well more frequently so that they can produce a greater variety of original content instead of spending money trying to save existing series.
2) This was from before the show started encountering problems and was delayed until May. And then delayed again. And then delayed until the end of September. It seems logical that since Netflix (and Bell) purchased the rights based on a Jan delivery date there were financial repercussions for the late delivery.
3) This is before the reported cost overruns.
While season one of Discovery is probably still fine financially nobody can say for certain that the show is already profitable anymore.
Nor can anyone say the second season is a given because if Netflix is unhappy with anything about the first season (costs, quality, the delay, viewership numbers, they just don't like CBS, etc.), they may not want to pay for a second. Netflix announced last month that they are going to start cancelling original series' (which Discovery is marketed as outside of US/CAN) that are not performing well more frequently so that they can produce a greater variety of original content instead of spending money trying to save existing series.
Always trust a Trek fan to buy negative information presented to them online, not supported with any evidence, rather than look at the facts in front of them.
Discovery has massive buzz. They've just done a massive weekend at Comic Con, hyping the show. The media are starting to jump onboard the hype train. CBS have licensed out book deals and comic deals. Reaction to the trailers has been remarkably positive, if you remove the cynical Trek fans who were never going to like what they saw despite what they might claim. CBS talk about how Discovery is the show they are banking on helping them double their All Access subscriber numbers.
This is not a show CBS lacks faith in. Stop trying to suggest otherwise.
As far as this theory that Netflix will not want a second season because the first got delayed, or because they don't like the quality - how rediculous. Netflix have sunk huge money into this show, and they've done that based on how Trek performs for them across the globe, and because they will have information that tells them that their Trek subscribers tend to stay long term and spend more money with them as a result. Netflix have more information to hand to help them commission shows than any other TV/Film service on the planet. They literally give that information to showrunners to help them work out the pacing of their stories, narrative style, etc.
But hey, more fun to create elaborate theories about the demise of Discovery, no? And to see people writing about a supposed CW Trek show being a better option... how do you propose CW afford such a show? They were slashing ENT's budget over ten years ago, when ENT was getting better numbers than most of CW shows get nowadays.
Discovery has massive buzz. They've just done a massive weekend at Comic Con, hyping the show. The media are starting to jump onboard the hype train. CBS have licensed out book deals and comic deals. Reaction to the trailers has been remarkably positive, if you remove the cynical Trek fans who were never going to like what they saw despite what they might claim. CBS talk about how Discovery is the show they are banking on helping them double their All Access subscriber numbers.
This is not a show CBS lacks faith in. Stop trying to suggest otherwise.
As far as this theory that Netflix will not want a second season because the first got delayed, or because they don't like the quality - how rediculous. Netflix have sunk huge money into this show, and they've done that based on how Trek performs for them across the globe, and because they will have information that tells them that their Trek subscribers tend to stay long term and spend more money with them as a result. Netflix have more information to hand to help them commission shows than any other TV/Film service on the planet. They literally give that information to showrunners to help them work out the pacing of their stories, narrative style, etc.
But hey, more fun to create elaborate theories about the demise of Discovery, no? And to see people writing about a supposed CW Trek show being a better option... how do you propose CW afford such a show? They were slashing ENT's budget over ten years ago, when ENT was getting better numbers than most of CW shows get nowadays.
This, I agree. It will better that way.
Completely agree! It amazes me that there can be wishing a series fails even before its air date
Kurtzman already said (not alluded to) that events in S1 will lead into S2.
"Lead into", not "oh, if it's good".
Sorry, I don't have a link. It was from SDCC.
Ever since the 80s when Spielberg's Amazing Stories came out, and the Twilight Zone made a resurgence, I've though that a Star Trek series that followed this format would be awesome. Each week a different adventure focusing on a different aspect of the universe. Of course at that time, there was no TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT, but there was still the idea that one could explore different eras or events referenced in TOS.
So, I would have totally supported an American Horror Story type anthology series. Technically, it could have even gone as far as having the same actors play different rolls, like AHS. This would drive fans crazy, but harkens back to the TOS days when minor characters were played by the same actor.
(On that note, I'm surprised that in their infinite ridiculousness, ENT never did a story of how Sarek and the Romulan Commander from BoT were twins separated at birth...).
So, I would have totally supported an American Horror Story type anthology series. Technically, it could have even gone as far as having the same actors play different rolls, like AHS. This would drive fans crazy, but harkens back to the TOS days when minor characters were played by the same actor.
(On that note, I'm surprised that in their infinite ridiculousness, ENT never did a story of how Sarek and the Romulan Commander from BoT were twins separated at birth...).
I don't think anyone is wishing the show fails. I want it to succeed but that doesn't change the fact that things are not looking good in my opinion, and I'm not talking about the design (well, not just the design). I wouldn't be surprised that if s2 does happen, it does so with new showrunners. Regardless, I'd watch even if it was terrible since I'm a fan. Fans aren't the ones who will decide if this show has a future (no pun intended).Completely agree! It amazes me that there can be wishing a series fails even before its air date
From another thread, just as an illustration of point:
" I hope this new Trek series bombs quickly. The less of it they make, the less damage they do to the franchise."
ETA: This isn't to shame anyone at all, because I saw similar sentiments being expressed towards ST ID, and the wish that it failed and that no more Star Trek films would be produced rather than have more Kelvin universe.
Personally, I am more interested in the characters and their development, so I'll be watching it to see that explored.
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Point taken. I tend to ignore these just as I do the gushingly positive "massive buzz" fan worship posts.
But when someone shows critical concern wth the show's production, staffing, and design and gives examples to illustrate their concerns, I see them being treated the same as the "end of the world is nigh" types.
I think a balanced approach is necessary, and criticism is necessary in any artistic venture, but I also think there is some places were optimism should undergird such perspectve. As the saying goes, "Beware uncritical lovers and unloving critics."
Here is something to raise your spirit. If "Discovery" is a failure, either in terms of quality or popularity we still get more Trek with the Meyer version which might be on CW. Trek is brand name and it will never go away. People will keep trying to make new versions that people love and some of them will be successful.
Also even if the show is bad I am certain at least a few episodes will be good so at the worst you can say is you only got 3 decent hours of Trek. That is 3 hours more than you would have gotten if they didn't do the show. Kind of like how people who don't like the Kelvin Movies can at least say they liked "Beyond."
Also most of us will be dead in 50 years and none of this will matter. Just ask, dead future you what he/she would say if they got a chance to watch even all the bad episodes of Trek. It would be a big improvement on what they had been doing.
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